Strange Colors, any suggestions?

[carltonchins]

So my Standard female gave birth to 4 babies a couple weeks ago. The father is a Hetro beige male, and the female has no other recessive traits, just a standard female. But look at the picture....

One of the females died after a couple days, but the other 3 survived. Now doesn't the chin in the middle look like a ****-beige? But thats impossible right? She's almost a white color, not beige....but she's not a pink white either, thats impossible as well. Can someone let me know whats going on here? I'm a small breeder in Carlton, but I havn't seen this kind of thing come up yet.

Thanks for you help!

 

[Cuddlebug]

Based on the information, I would say that you have a standard kit and two hetero beige kits, one is just lighter than the other.

 

[starleomach]

There can be light beiges that aren't ****. I have also had several beiges born here super light that darken up as they age

 

[Starry Night]

Random question... where are your breeder chins from? I don't recognize the brands. May try to contact the breeder to see if they truly don't have any recessives etc in their history as in more than just 3 generations on a pedigree .

I would also say hetero beige and standard. Sometimes they darken with age .

 

[Brea]

I had a beige born like that. It was a litter of two beiges and they both were the same color when I weaned them.

 

[Spoof]

Actually, the one on the far right looks like a tan. Is it's belly white? Ebony can be carried and show up like that.

 

[Riven]

They breed rescue chins, look at their site:

http://www.gnomeni.com/ccr.html

 

[alli713]

They breed rescue chins, look at their site:

http://www.gnomeni.com/ccr.html

Well, that's responsible isn't it? But apparently they only breed rescues that come in as a pair. How does that make it okay?
Sorry to get further off topic, but there's no way for you to know that those rescue chins are going to have genetic diseases that they will pass onto their kits. Very irresponsible if you ask me.

 

[FiaSpice]

They breed rescue chins, look at their site:

http://www.gnomeni.com/ccr.html

and they are not even "hidding it". Shame.

 

[Riven]

What this means is that we don’t breed a pair and then separate the parents to breed with others. When we decide to put two chins together to breed they will stay together for life.

I guess this concerned me as well, so even if it's a bad match, they are going to keep them together for life and continue breeding more bad chins? Doesn't sound very responsible to me either... <shakes her head>

 

[lilchinchilla]

It's the newest way to breed, Nicole... :thumbsup:

 

[Riven]

Maybe I should try it... Good plan! I like new things!

To answer the original question, if for certain none of the parents carry anything, which you can't always tell even with a pedigree, which in itself is questionable, it is possible that it is just two different phases of chin. It's like expecting every blond child born to a family to have the exact same shade of blond hair, kind of stupid huh?

ETA: VVCR is NOT Valley View Chinchilla Ranch's brand, if they have one. It belongs to Joe Brown of Oklahoma. I'm sure he'd appreciate it if you corrected that.

 

[carltonchins]

hmmm

you know, I'm glad this was my first post, it really let me know what kind of drama goes on here. I asked for help, and instead I got conflict. I breed for good healthy animals, so when I pick a pair, they stay together for life....and if they don't work out, then I change it.....if they DO work out, then they stay mates.....

I'm sorry as a small hobby breeder that I could have mistaken VVCR for another breeder that I have never even heard of, how irresponsible of me to think I know everything.

I was hoping for friends and mentors, but instead I got this....

Thanks....

 

[Sheri]

Who is PRIV?

 

[carltonchins]

PRIV is private seller. Because I am new to this, I am still building my base herd. Since I don't have lineages for some of my chins, the best I can do is start to keep track of their traits now.

 

[corneliuschins]

Because of the unknown of breeding chins that don't have a written history, my suggestion would be for you to keep what you have and put them into same sex groups. You have no idea whether the chins you are producing could have a genetic condition that would cause them to suffer in pain. Then you can work on acquiring the kinds of chins that should be breeding. It's very easy to breed animals, but it takes tons of time and education to be able to pair the correct animals with each other. I would also suggest that you find someone locally who can help you to understand what color your chins are and can help you decide what chins should be bred and those that should not. There are qualities of fur to look at even before deciding what color should be paired with another. Someone experienced can help you to see fur strength, fur banding, and fur density that should all be taken into account before placing an animal with a mate. Those of us who've been around the chin world have said this same thing to people a million times before and that's why it can sometimes come off as people being "haters". The reason we are posting here is that we hope that we can convince you to stop breeding/producing animals that might not get to live a long and healthy life. It's the same argument that people in the dog world have been giving for years too. We aren't trying to "hate" on you, we are only trying to give you the tools to do the right thing, it just comes off badly some times. As far as keeping bonded chins together, they will live on if taken from their mate. Chins do especially well when placed in same sex pairs. I hope that you will take this information for what it is - Information. The more information you have about your chins the better. If you have questions please feel free to PM me, as I don't mind helping people make better choices.

 

[Anne-Lise]

I agree with corneliuschin. Even pairs that LOOK like good quality may not be good quality. You have absolutely no idea of their genetic history and breeding them could mean that you're breeding malocclusion or heart problems. THese things you don't want to do if you work to get nice healthy chins, nobody wants chins to suffer. So unless the chins are from a good and reputable breeder you can trust and are confirmed breeding quality by that same breeder, I would stop to breed them right now.

I always thought it didn't matter what you have done before, the most important is what you'll do from now on, now that you know that what you're doing is not what people would call responsible breeding.

 

[Riven]

There are plenty of quality animals for breeding available, there is not a shortage of good breeding animals right now. Unlike rescues you have to pay for them though.

A ranch brand is just that, it is a brand that is owned by someone. It is no different than me saying your credit card is mine and confusing people, and me acting like you. This is why there is a ranch brand registry ( MCBA and ECBC ) for chinchillas. I have a list on my site, it is compiled and not complete, but contains a lot of currant and recent brands.

Anywhere you do research will tell you that breeding rescue chins is generally not okay.

As a breeder it's hypocritical of me to tell someone else not to bred, and I think that whoever wants to breed can as long as it is for the RIGHT REASONS, and done the right way. I know that there is not one right way, but there are accepted ways, and non-acceptable ways. I suggest you find a mentor, or a couple of them, and re-think your breeding practices.

 

[VolunteerChin22]

PRIV is private seller. Because I am new to this, I am still building my base herd. Since I don't have lineages for some of my chins, the best I can do is start to keep track of their traits now.

Sorry, but the best you can do right now is NOT to breed these animals. Yes some people do breed chins that are unpedigreed but they have also been evaluated for the proper fur characteristics necessary to be breeding quality animals, which I doubt has been the case. Who knows if your rescues are even related to each other - as in brother/sister or son/mother...Have you thought about that??

Like Ive said before in another post, if you link your website or post photos be prepared for any and all advice to follow. I am sorry if you were offended by some people's comments, but hang around here for a while and LEARN...while you are learning, you will see that the mistakes you are making happen at least twice a week or more on this forum despite our best efforts to educate people about proper breeding techniques.:hair: It is frustrating for the rest of us who are doing our homework, going to shows, pain stakingly evaulating our animals and then "newbies" (based on your posts and comments) show up celebrating and defending poor husbandry and breeding techniques.:banghead:

We aren't hating on you for wanting to be in the world of chin breeding. Frankly I am rather new as well, but I am doing it the right way. I attend shows to learn about what is desirable and not desirable in chins. I have a mentor and I frequent this site to learn everything about chins. I buy my chins from reputable breeders, with pedigrees and have a small quality herd to start with.

If I were you, I would own the fact that you are a newbie (it's not a bad thing) and seperate your herd immediately until you can assess what constitutes breeding quality and what does not. Don't get offended...this is not personal, and you will need thick skin to be a breeder. I guarantee after you spend some time going to shows and talking with others you will think, "Wow I can't believe I wanted to start this way."

 

[LovableFuzziezandCrawliez]

I can tell right away that they are not going to take anyone's advice here. They took offense way to easily. Instead of realizing their mistake, they got upset that people were pointing out that they breed rescues.

They like keeping their rescues in pairs - unfixed or fixed - so if they have kits, then they keep them together and keep letting them breed.

There is no way to change their minds.

OP - I really hope you take people's advice here.

As someone who runs a rescue - there are SO many genetic disorders that arrive in rescue chins because most of them come from pet stores or they are improperly cared for by their original owners, etc. Just because they look good doesn't mean that they are healthy. Malo, heart murmurs, intestinal problems, liver problems - why would you want to take the risk of passing these on to other helpless kits??? Basically, if you keep breeding these health conditions along it is your fault that chinchillas get sick.

To protect the kits from any possible painful situations - don't breed rescue chinchillas. It's that simple.