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bigpappatrader

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I lost one of my two beloved chins last night. I am heartbroken. Here's a tale of warning, and what I learned so that it may benefit others and hopefully prevent the same from happening to one of your chins.

I went away for the weekend Friday night. I usually just check their food and water and make sure they have a block of timothy hay to chew on. My father goes in every night to check on them and do the same whether I am there or not. I know my father isn't reliable in other areas but he loved the chins almost as much as I do and almost never missed a night of doing the "chinchilla show" as he called it when they'd come running for their snack. When I came home Monday night the large water bottle was almost empty, he had obviously not been in there Saturday, Sunday, or Monday before or after work. I mentioned it and he said he wan't home Saturday night and was too busy Sunday and forgot to go in there. Had he gone in to give them their snack and feed and water them he would have seen that my brown chin's eye was severely infected. So there's plenty of lessons in there to be learned. Don't take for granted that you can leave the chins for a few days with enough food and water, whether without somebody to check on them or with somebody unreliable. Get a reliable friend (or hire somebody) to go in and do the following things:

  1. Teach your sitter what normal behavior for each of your chins is. Anything that is out of the norm should be a sign that something is wrong.
  2. Sitter needs to inspect all chinchillas for lethargy. Make sure your sitter and you know the difference between groggy and lethargic. When I wake my chins up during the day you can pet their heads very easily because they're not really fully awake yet. Once they're awake for long enough they won't sit still for you to pet their heads for more than a few seconds. If they don't reach this point in five minutes after waking up something is very wrong. Your sitter should hang around long enough after they wake up to see if they are behaving and moving around normally.
  3. Teach your sitter be aware if one of the chinchillas isn't eating. This is somewhat difficult but you can easily tell if the chinchilla won't take his favorite snack. If he won't take his favorite snack that is a HUGE red flag.
  4. Have your sitter contact you at the first thought that something might be wrong. Also call them daily to see if they noticed anything unusual.
  5. Have your sitter know all of these things well before you go anywhere. It takes a little while to learn a chinchilla's personality and what is normal for him or her. Have a backup sitter that is just as good.
  6. Have your sitter thoroughly inspect each chin. Have them inspect each of your chins' eyes for discharge or swelling. Depending on how friendly your chins are, have the sitter run his or her hand around the chin looking for any abrasions. This is probably best done when they first wake up and are still groggy. Make sure they hang around enough to determine if each chinchilla is pooping, and if its consistency is normal.
  7. Have your sitter look for any blockages in access to food or water. I came home one day and they had managed to jam their sleeping igloo into the top floor opening and they couldn't get to their food/water. It might be a good idea to have backups on each level of the cage.
  8. Have sitter check temprature, you should have a thermometer next to your cage anyway, and make sure they know acceptable temperature ranges.
  9. I would personally advise against having the sitter take them out and play with them, but that's up to you. I don't know anybody else (besides another chin lover and owner) who would be able to handle them with the care their little bodies need when picking them up and making them feel comfortable and safe outside of their cage.
  10. Have sitter make sure chin is peeing. My chins usually go within 10 minutes of first waking up. This is a good sign that they are drinking. Or maybe have them offer the chin a sweet beverage they like. I've given them tongue fulls of zero calorie flavored water and they love it. If they refuse it, something is seriously wrong.

When you get back (and pretty much every other day) most of the things on this list should be followed. If these steps had been in place my chin would probably still be here. When I got home Monday night my chin's left eye was grotesquely and unbelievably swollen shut with puss coagulated around the opening. He was extremely lethargic and only moving around a little bit. I took my chin to the "exocitc pet specialist" vet first thing Tuesday morning. Lesson 2:

  1. Do NOT use pine shavings. Throw them out right now. Apparently a small piece of pine shaving became lodged in his eye at some point over the weekend, which caused the infection. The vet recommended to switch to only paper based shavings. When the vet flushed my chin's eye out with some liquid solution a small piece of pine shaving came out.
  2. My personal opinion is that with the grotesque way the eye was swollen an antiobiotic eyedrop 3x a day was not nearly enough to save my chinchilla's life. The vet should have recommended something more drastic, I don't know what. I took many pictures of the eye if anybody thinks they might be able to offer an idea of what the vet should have done (I'm not going to post them publicly because it is a truly horrific sight). The lesson that I believe needs to be learned is: Get a second opninion from another vet any time your chin has a serious condition. Ask people on the internet if they've seen anything similar (but don't neglect the second vet opinion).

I applied the eyedrops as prescribed twice Tuesday 8 hours apart and then twice yesterday. When I went to apply them the third time he wasn't breathing.

Yesterday during the second application I realized I couldn't say for sure when the last time was that he had ate or drank anything. I was gone for 3 days and the entire water bottle was nearly empty, and one chinchilla can't do that in a weekend, so I figured he must have been drinking. When I brought my chin to the vet on Tuesday morning he asked me if my chin was eating and I said I didn't know. I thought he took a peanut the previous night so I told the vet that I thought he ate a peanute last night, and the vet didn't ask any more questions. I didn't see him eat anything the day I took him to the vet but thought if he was hungry he would eat. I still didn't realize what a big problem it was, I just thought it was an infected eye. Yesterday he was moving much much slower and refused all treats and tasty drinks (sometimes I give him a tongue full of flavored water, which he went nuts for). I decided that if I didn't see him eat or drink anything that day he'd be going back to the vet the next day. I still thought it wasn't a life threatening issue that he was dealing with. It was a grotesque eye infection, but after all it was just an eye infection, not, in my or apparently the vet's opinion, a life threating one. So maybe there's another lesson:

  1. Every injury is a life threatining injury to a chinchilla.
  2. Every change in behavior is an indication that an underlying life threatening issue may be present

You can think I'm stupid or negligent if you want. I feel maybe I deserve it. But I took these chinchillas from a home where they weren't played with or let out or given sticks and baths all the time and I did this for them and I made them comfortable and safe.

If you have something to say, please offer it as advice and please be kind as I am still grieving. I hope you've learned something from this as I have.
 
First off, I am sorry for your loss.

Pine shavings are fine, ranches have used them for years and years. Peanuts are deadly, chins do not process fat well and that could have killed the chin due to bloat and stasis, along with the fact your chin was not eating most likely due to the painfull infection, chins will go into stasis and die if not eating and the added fat could do it. Flavored water, no, I don't know what is in it but a chin should have only clean filtered water. Without a necropsy, which no one does and all should do, you will not know the cause of death, herpes simplex 1 can cause a eye infection and death in a few days, it could have been shock from the pain, it could have been teeth, it could have been stasis, it could have been bloat, you won't know and can't blame anyone, the vet, your father or yourself.

BTW, you need a new vet, chins won't eat if in pain or if they can't eat because of teeth, if they vet does not know that, can them.
 
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Thank you for the information. You're right, we don't know what caused the eye infection. But I watched him flush the eye out and a piece of pine shaving came out. To be on the safe side I'm going to use paper shavings as long as my chin doesn't eat it all.

As per your advice, I'm going to stop giving the daily peanut. I tried once before but they love them so much I broke down and started giving it to them again. What do you suggest I switch to besides peanuts? Is there anything I can give them a lot of that they really like? I've only given them the flavored water maybe 5 times and only a few drops when I did, but I think that's their favorite thing ever.

I'm not blaming the vet, though I wonder if checking the teeth, flushing the eye out, and prescribing an antibiotic drop for an eye that was half an inch swollen out from the head and dripping puss was as far as the vet should have gone? Isn't there some kind of stronger internal antibiotic? Or maybe an x-ray to check for related problems?

I will try to find a chin specialist.
 
I'm sorry for your loss. Yes, chins need special care that is different from so many other species. That's why both owners and sitters need to be well educated. Again I'm very sorry for your loss. :-(
 
To be on the safe side I'm going to use paper shavings as long as my chin doesn't eat it all.

What do you suggest I switch to besides peanuts? Is there anything I can give them a lot of that they really like? I've only given them the flavored water maybe 5 times and only a few drops when I did, but I think that's their favorite thing ever.

I may be misremembering, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought paper shavings were dangerous because they could expand in the gut and lead to bloat. I've always used kiln dried aspen without an issue and a lot of members on here use fleece liners.

As for safe treats... chinchilla safe woods, rose hips, plain cheerios and plain shredded wheat are all I feed as treats. Two of mine were little raisin junkies before I found this forum and learned that chins can't process sugar. After 2 weeks of begging, pleading, kacking and barking, they finally stopped asking for raisins and accepted what I was giving them. Now, they beg for safe treats, though if I say the word "raisin", everyone goes a little stir crazy.

I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope that your other chin lives a long and happy life!
 
Thank you all for your condolences, it means a lot.

I would like to see more information on paper shavings if anybody has it.

Anytime mine heard a plastic bag ruffle they think it is raisin time. They love the plain shredded wheat. How much can I give him per day? They always want to be chewing chewing chewing.
 
Thank you for the information. You're right, we don't know what caused the eye infection. But I watched him flush the eye out and a piece of pine shaving came out. To be on the safe side I'm going to use paper shavings as long as my chin doesn't eat it all.

As per your advice, I'm going to stop giving the daily peanut. I tried once before but they love them so much I broke down and started giving it to them again. What do you suggest I switch to besides peanuts? Is there anything I can give them a lot of that they really like? I've only given them the flavored water maybe 5 times and only a few drops when I did, but I think that's their favorite thing ever.

I'm not blaming the vet, though I wonder if checking the teeth, flushing the eye out, and prescribing an antibiotic drop for an eye that was half an inch swollen out from the head and dripping puss was as far as the vet should have gone? Isn't there some kind of stronger internal antibiotic? Or maybe an x-ray to check for related problems?

I will try to find a chin specialist.



To be honest, your description of the eye sounds like way more than a eye infection, it could have been tooth elongation or it could have been herpes-herpes looks like what you described, hugely swollen, red with excessive amounts of pus that literally drips out of the eye over the lids and is thick and gooey. The chin would be lethargic and can seize. As a informed owner in my case, when herpes was diagnosed it was after the fact during a necropsy-the vet did do a x-ray, did RX injectable baytril and occular drops, and I did hand feed to the best I could do on a chin that spit it out, the chin still died a few days after the onset of the infection-AND to be honest again, your description IMO would not have had a happy ending.
 
I can't offer any information on possible causes of death, but I would like to say I'm very sorry for your loss.
 
I am very sorry for your loss.

I do food treats (pinch of oats, cheerio, half a shredded wheat, rose hip) once or twice a week. The rest of the time they get multiple wood chews, cardboard bagels, loofah, pumice, etc. If they have desire to chew chew chew, as you say, and as any healthy chin does, I would get more non-food chews that you can give them nightly. There is an amazing selection of chin-safe products in the classifieds to help you spoil your remaining chin.
 
I am sorry for your loss...

I only give dietary treats (shredded wheat, cheerio, etc) a couple times a week, but non-dietary treats (sticks, loofah, etc) are given whenever I feel like...
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I tried the pumice stone a few times but they wouldn't touch it. Anybody have tips on getting them to use it? Favorite brand or anything like that?
 
I am sorry for your loss.

Paper shavings are dangerous if they are the condensed kind like pellets or carefresh, those are meant to expand when filled with fluid and can lead to impaction. I would stick to the pine personally
 
I too am sorry for your loss.

I give mine tons of different woods. They really love Mulberry, not so much on the dogwood, I'm still waiting on some of the fruit woods.

I also give them oats, shredded wheat, rose hips, but their favorite "treat" by far is the daily coin or stick i give them. I also ordered a bunch of larger pumice stones that are huge in size, but they love to chew on them and then once they are dust they roll around in them.

They love different textures, but as soon as I put paper bedding in once and saw them chewing it, I immediately removed it. You can see what other people mean by the "swelling" that can happen if you take a clump of the paper and put water on it. The paper will just soak up the paper and swell making it difficult to pass. I have switched from using a cage full of bedding to pie dishes with aspen in them. They really seem to enjoy this much better. They don't really need a full level of 'bedding', you may also look at some of the other members that offer fleece items, they are really reasonably priced and make great covers for the bottom of the cage if you are concerned about it.
 
I'm sorry, this is so sad. =( I lost my dog in my grandma's care about four years ago and it feels terrible to wonder if you being there could have made a difference. I'm really sorry.
 
I'm sorry for your loss. I used to use carefresh bedding, however I was informed that it causes impaction if consumed (as described above). Also was informed that paper shaving is made from recycled paper and processed. I now use aspen pine and will be switching to fleece liners.
Your quote "Anytime mine heard a plastic bag ruffle they think it is raisin time" Raisin is bad for chins!
 
Thank you everybody for your advice and condolences! I went out and got a whole bunch of new things for him so he isn't bored in there by himself at night. I got a different brand of chew rock and he seems to like it, but the package says to only provide it for 15-20 minutes a day and I'd love for him to be able to chew all day long so maybe there's some other solution. I am throwing out the peanuts and raisins. I didn't see some of the snacks you guys recommend at the pet store. No rose hips, different exotic woods, but I got him dandelion drops and when I got home I realized the first two ingredients are sugar and oil!!! Those are going in the trash too! I looked at the different beddings but need to do more research before I pick a different one. The fleece liners sound good but I am not too handy so I'll have to find a place to buy them. Do you guys wash them right in the washing machine with a regular load of laundry or wash them separate? I usually use the timothy blocks but I also got him straw timothy hay, which I hate to do because he pulls most of it out, sniffs it, and throws it on the ground, but it gives him something to do and when he finds a straw he decides he will chew he looks very happy. Ran out of plain shredded wheat a few weeks ago, need to stock up. I got him a new ferret hammock which so far he seems to love because it adds a higher level to his house. Thanks again everybody! Talking about it has really helped, and I've gotten a lot of good information and will be sticking around the forums.
 
Sounds like you are on the right track! I would be leery of the ferret hammock, those are usually not 100% fleece so chins can chew through them. What kind of new "chew rock" did you buy? I am sorry to say that most things found at the pet store are actually unsafe for chins, as you found with the dandelion drops. It may be an adjustment for you, as it was for me, but I now buy all of my chins' supplies online. Even with shipping, the cost is usually less than that at the pet store. Some of my favorites are Quality Mutation Chinchillas, Camphor Chins, and look for Ronda's thread on here for wood chews and other treats.

Take some time to look around the site, there is a ton of useful info on here. Welcome to the forum!
 
What kinda rock is this? About the dandelion drops, if you got it from a major chain pet stores they let you return it. Ask them about the return policy. Rolled oats is really just old fashion quakers, make sure it's not the fast cook. I get my rose hips from Alli in this forum. Look around the forum or I'm sure someone will mention where, but there are people who sell things on here. I also ordered my fleece from Alli (I think there is a spot in housing on here that some people talk about fleece. Throwing hay is normal, my chins have to find the perfect strand before they will eat it. Even though it's a big pain to clean, but they need the hay. Ferret hammocks have plastic clamps and it's not good. People sell hammocks here too that are chin safe.
It's a lot of info on here hahaha, i'm still trying to read through all the old ones. My friends think I'm going crazy with my chins with how picky I've become hahaha. Even they bring new toys and snacks for them, but I would say 70% of it I make them return hehehe.
 
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