Introducing

[RDZCRanch]

V I,

When you intentionally introduce and place a male and female in an area where they have access to each other and neither is altered, they WILL breed. Whether he/she says they don't intend to breed, putting unaltered chinchillas of separate genders together is breeding. It's not hard. The female has ovaries, a uterus and a vagina. The male has a penis, testicles and semen. Put them together and "magically" the sperm gets to the egg and you get a pregnant female who has babies. That's as simplified as I can make it since this knowledge seems to escape you.

By your logic, I have over 20 male to female pairs/colonies. I don't intend to breed though! I just read that male to female pairs do well together. I guess I'm not a breeder and the resulting kits are just a big "oops". This follows no logical path.

Riven's and my logic: Whether the intent is there or not, putting an unaltered male and female together IS breeding therefore making the person a BREEDER.

Your logic: If the intent to breed is not there, but an unaltered male and female are intentionally put together and babies result from it, the person is not a breeder, because they didn't MEAN for babies to appear.

 

[AZChins]

Well..maybe if you hope real hard, it won't happen. <fingers crossed, chanting "no buhbuh, no buhbuh" and positive thinking>

 

[Riven]

Breeder \Breed"er\, n.

1. One who, or that which, breeds, produces, brings up, etc. [1913 Webster]

By definition a breeder is someone who breeds or produces. By putting a male and a female in a cage you are producing offspring. If you don't put them together then they will not, thus not a breeder. The OP doesn't mean anything. Nothing in the OP indicates they are not a child, does it say... I'm not a child? Are you suggesting that because they don't have major spelling and grammar errors they are not a child because my 9 year old writes nearly as well as I do regarding content, grammar, and spelling. That does not make her an adult. The OP does in fact have grammar errors in the post, upon quick review I saw two, "he's got a big dent in his fur" should be "he has" and "I'm I doing something wrong" should be am I. That's just the last two sentences or so that I just quickly looked at.

No matter what the OP wants to tell themselves if they put a male with a female they are a breeder. One pair is still a breeding. And anyone who thinks they can put an un-altered male and female together and not end up with babies eventually is incompetent and definitely should not be breeding anything. I can tell myself what ever I want, I can run around and go into places demanding I get free stuff because I'm the owner, but reality says I'm not so it's not going to happen. The REALITY is that putting a male and a female together is breeding. Next time instead of asking, I will instead just treat the OP like a child is that makes you feel better.

Do I find it odd that you joined one month after the OP and you're both in Canada and the only time you've posted ever has been on this thread to stand up for the OP and attempt to make me feel like a moron ( didn't work by the way ) when every week there is a thread just like this one... yeah, yeah I do. And you know what happens to the babies from threads just like this? I take them in, Susan takes them in, Meanie, Dawn and a really long list of people who have been around for years and years... we all take them in when people don't want them anymore.

 

[Lynn & The Chins]

[QUOTE And you know what happens to the babies from threads just like this? I take them in, Susan takes them in, Meanie, Dawn and a really long list of people who have been around for years and years... we all take them in when people don't want them anymore.[/QUOTE]

^^^^So there!!!

And just to chime in as a pet owner who has had 3 male chinchillas sucessfully neutered by a qualified Exotic vet, I think that getting your male neutered would be the easiest solution to your dilemma if you DO decide to keep them together!!!

 

[ticklechin]

We right now have 47 chins in the rescue, most from dire situations like being abandoned in forclosed houses and let loose in the middle of San Francisco, the owner surrenders because the owners are homeless etc, there are not enough foster parents or adopters to take them in and more keep coming. Please don't make more, these little creatures who already exist deserve to have a home. Keep your male as a pet or get same sexed chin companions for them, the rescues will appreciate responsible behavior on your part.

 

[AZChins]

I'm up to 494 pet rescues (since I started counting in the summer of 2005.) Those are mostly one or two at a time coming in. I've had quite a few that were found in abandoned houses and several that had to come live here because people got their electricity cut off.

Breeding is serious business...finding them homes is one of the most difficult things that anyone can try. People lie about keeping their pets forever. Making more chins out of rescue chins scares me. No matter how sweet, gorgeous or "rare" a rescue appears to be it should never be bred. NEVER. It isn't even about health issues...it's a rescue animal.

I didn't hear any mention of pedigree for these animals being discussed in this thread, only that a friend needed to get rid of a chinchilla. That probably means that they are rescues? Possibly originally from a petstore?

 

[starleomach]

VI I am not sure who you are but The OP said she was going to put the male and female together into the same cage but she wasn't going to breed them. That means she is breeding them. If you put a male and female into the same cage you are breeding. I am also not against breeders as I am one but it should be thought out. Some chinchillas prefer to live alone. Sounds like your female is one of them I would keep them separate.

Any way. I have a few here that like to be alone. and if your goal is to give her company a male will not do that you will have to pull him out shortly before she gives birth any way..then you would have to go through the introuction process all over agian once kits are weaned. So you would be defeating the purpose of her having company IMPO

 

[ticklechin]

The female came from the humane society.

 

[AZChins]

Doesn't the humane society require people to sign a contract that if any animals are not or cannot be sterilized, then they agree to NOT breed those animals? I had to sign a contract for a dog that I adopted at the Humane Society and I agree to that when I take in chins when they call me with rescues.

This could be someone breaking a legal contract!

 

[ticklechin]

I think Peggy explains breeding pet/rescue/humane society chins best here, I hope the OP will read the question and answer since it explains why we are all concerned.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100323120324AAR0ct2

 

[tunes]

rwthoo - No matter what animal you put together, dogs, cats, horses, chickens, lions, tigers, bears -- it makes no difference. Mother nature takes over. The female has a heat cycle, the male nails her, and if the stars align, pregnancy occurs. It would be no different than consenting human adults having sex over and over again with no birth control. If the female is capable of producing viable eggs and conceiving, and if the male is capable of producing viable sperm, they are going to breed. Put them together and babies are going to happen, whether you think they are or not. You can get the male castrated (which is a much safer alternative to the female having a very invasive surgery) and some people have had great luck with it. Others feel that performing a surgery such as this when the easiest answer is to just keep them separated is unnecessary and potentially putting your male at risk. That is something you will have to decide if you are willing to do or not.

Nobody here is meaning to insult you. They are just incredulous that someone who is not a child would not realize that male + female = babies. There is just absolutely no other way to explain this.

V I - So far you have nothing to add to the thread. I do see that you appear to want to stir the pot, and I would appreciate if you would stop so that I don't have to babysit this thing on such a beautiful 67 degree day with the sun shining, the wind blowing, and my lawn in desperate need of care. The OP appears to be able to answer for herself, so I don't think you need to be her cheering section.

FYI - I did read the posts. I do understand what the OP said. My answer reflects that.

Susan: Yes they do require you to sign a no breeding contract. In fact, often times if they know you have an opposite sex animal, they will refuse to let you adopt the one their care. Thankfully, most shelters are no longer insisting on having them neutered before they leave the facility.

ETA: I just want to point out to the OP, yes, obviously males and females can get along when caged together. That's how you got the chins you have now. A male and a female produced a baby. But if your intention is not to breed, then you could try getting them each a same sex cage mate instead. They would both have company (if the pairings work) and there would be no chance of bebbies.

 

[Bostongirl'sChin75]

Doesn't the humane society require people to sign a contract that if any animals are not or cannot be sterilized, then they agree to NOT breed those animals? I had to sign a contract for a dog that I adopted at the Humane Society and I agree to that when I take in chins when they call me with rescues.

This could be someone breaking a legal contract!

Yes they do and yes they are! And if the HS finds out they are breaking this contract, they can be sued for breach of contract and possibly have all of the animals in question taken away and be charged with animal endangerment and/or cruelty.

 

[Tagna]

That may be how the Humane Society is in the USA but I know when I adopted my female bunnies from the Toronto Humane Society, who weren't spayed, there was nothing about non breeding in the contract. Mind you, the THS has had a lot of issues and is closed right now. I'm not sure about other shelters here in Canada but that is just one.

Under old management they adopted out tons of cats and dogs that weren't altered and who knows how many have gone on to create more poor unwanted pets.

However, common sense really should prevail and it's really sad that there even has to be a mention of non breeding with shelter adoptions.

 

[Essentia]

While I don't have 47 chins here, I have taken in about 20 over the last 2years. That being said I am in an unpopular chinchilla area of the US/Canada. Even in the northern FL area, where there is only 1 small time hobby breeder, I get approx. 10-12 chins a year who need a home. There are plenty of breeders already out there who are breeding for the right reasons. We truly don't need more chins. Check out your rescues in your area and I can guarantee there are plenty looking for homes already without you bringing more into the world. You have no background on these chins, so you have no idea if you are bringing chins into the world with malo (a dealth sentance) or any other disease or ailment. Please leave breeding to the people who have studied long and hard and who take the time to breed the best possible animals.

You already said these animals were fighting, which means you may very well come home to a dead chinchilla(s) one day (if you keep them together). It also means that neither of them are happy in their living situation (if living together, or even playing together in this instance). Seperate them and let them live out their lives as happy, seperated chins.