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This may be a stupid ? But today I was sitting in my room playing with Harley and fatboy and I felt a tickle on my neck so I reached up to scratch it and it was a flea. We have never had fleas here. My brother in law has two cats but they're indoor and flea treated. Is there a flea trratment for chins? Do they get fleas? I noticed Harley itching sometimes. Fatboy doesn't much, so I don't know if that's it. Also I noticed that Harley moves his mouth a lot like he's chewing something but there is nothing in there. Any idea why that could be?
 
I heard chins can't get fleas because their fur is too dense for the fleas to run around in. If you think you have fleas in the house, I would treat all the animals in the house with Advantage or something like that. If you think the flea problem is huge, you might have to relocate the animals and bomb the house.
 
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don't think its a bad problem, I only found one. We just pulled the carpet up it our room yesterday too. We live in the basement room and before we lived here there was a dog that was kept in this room during the day while the owners were at work and he'd pee on the carpet and stuff. No matter what we did it still smelled and the carpet would pull the smell of the litter pan from the chin cage. No that its out, our room doesn't smell, but I thought that maybe it was from that nasty carpet. If I give them advantage would it hurt them? I know that you have to put it on the back of the neck for dogs so they don't lick or bite themselves and get sick.
 
I personally wouldn't use Advantage, or any other flea/tick treatment on your chinnies. Their fur should be too dense for fleas or anything else to get at them. Also, flea and tick treatments tend to be rather specific to the species. A dog treatment, if used on a cat, will make the cat very sick. And when it's applied to the correct species, it's still toxic if ingested...say, if a dog licked the nape of another dog that had just been treated. I really wouldn't risk it.
 
Hopefully this is helpful. Sorry it's kind of long.

Fleas can be a very frustrating problem. If you see one adult flea, chances are, there's other adult fleas around. It doesn't sound like you have any dogs, just the cats and chins, so I'm going to focus on cat flea control.

Fleas can possibly infest the head and tails of chinchillas, but I'm not sure how much of a problem this unless you've got a severely infested household. I would concentrate on getting control of the cats. I also don't know if chins are a preferred host to fleas - the most common fleas in the US (cat fleas, with dog fleas being a distant second) will bite humans, but typically will move on to the dogs and cats in the household. Fleas can be brought indoors from the outside. Just cos a cat doesn't go outside doesn't mean the humans in the home, or the dog in the household, doesn't. Human-only homes have less of a problem with fleas because humans aren't preferred hosts, so don't reproduce fleas as well. If you go for a walk, walk by a bush where the local stray left a couple fleas, which jump onto your pantleg, and then leave you when you get home and find your cats - you've got fleas.

Once you have adult fleas in the household, they look for a preferred host (cats) and start to feed. Once they've been feeding, they will start laying eggs within 24 hours, and in one lifetime, lay hundreds of eggs. The eggs fall off the pet and into the dirt/carpet/whatever. Those eggs will hatch out into larvae in a week or so (less if conditions are right), and be little larvae wriggling around deep in your carpet/couch/whatever. The larvae eat (their favorite food is adult flea poop, which is partially digested blood), and then go into a pupa. In the right conditions, the pupa can hang out for about a week before hatching - but they can delay for up to a year. This is where you get the stories of people with no pets moving into a house that's been empty for months - but the previous people had pets. The fleas wait for triggers to emerge from the pupa (vibrations, slight increase in temperature, slight increase in local carbon dioxide concentration, etc - these are things that say "there's a mammal here!").

If you see one flea, there's probably a dozen that you didn't see. Fleas are uniquely suited to hiding deep in the fur of their hosts and not be seen.

What you want to do is make sure that your are stimulating as many fleas to come out as possible, and to make your cats into flea killing machines so that the adult fleas come out and DIE.

Advantage and Frontline are both great products. They kill the adult flea. The unfortunate thing is that neither kills them super fast, though they both should kill fast enough that the fleas aren't laying eggs. They ARE very effective (just not as fast as, say Capstar). The other unfortunate thing is that both products appear to start wearing off the cat at about the 3 week mark - they still kill fleas, but not quite as quickly and not quite as many as before.

Revolution is absorbed systemically, and seems to work a bit faster, and last a bit longer for killing adult fleas. It also has the advantage of working against intestinal parasites and heartworms (yes, indoor cats are at risk!). It's my personal favorite product, and what I use on my cats.

I don't know a lot about Advantage Multi and all the other newer products on the market (e.g., Vectra, Promeris, etc). If your vet carries them, they will know more about these products and the pros and cons of each.

Capstar is a great product, it can be a hassle. It's a pill you give the cat up to once a day. The effects seem to last about 24 hours. In a heavily flea-infested home, or in a severely flea-allergic cat, it works best if given at least 3 times a week. [Comfortis is a new product for dogs that's a pill lasting 30 days - it is not labelled for cats, though I've heard of a few people using it on outdoor cats (i.e., the ones most at risk of getting fleas and possibly more difficult to pill because more difficult to catch, so they put it in food) without ill effects. Personally, I'm not risking it til the company does all the safety work (rumors say they have) and gets the label approved.]

Program is an injection that is given every 6 months by a vet. It's flea birth control. It can be used in conjunction with any of the above (it was originally marketed with Capstar). It's sort of your clean-up committee. Any fleas that happen to survive your adulticides long enough to lay eggs won't be able to reproduce - none of the eggs will hatch. [For dogs, Sentinel is basically Program + Interceptor (heartworm/intestinal parasite control) as a monthly tablet. Program injection doesn't exist for dogs; Program tablet does exist for both species, but is pretty expensive].

If you use an adult killer (Advantage, Revolution, Frontline, Capstar) along with Program, you get to stop the flea life cycle in two different places. Revolution appears to have some effect against flea eggs; Frontline TopSpot is supposed to (I haven't personally looked at the data proving it, but it's labelled as such, so I'll believe them for now). There's a lot of other new products out - I just am not familiar with them.

Personally, I recommend Revolution +/- Program to get control of fleas in cats. I have one patient who gets to use Capstar and Revolution because of her flea allergies - the other cats in the house use Revolution. Some patients who can go to just Program over time (but then I have to recommend Interceptor for Cats to get the heartworms and intestinal parasites) - I know a vet who does this, because she finds it easier to pill her cat once a month and give her cat a shot every six months than do a topical once a month (she doesn't like the mess). I don't mind pilling my cats, but it's easier to do a topical for me. To each their own. Every vet probably has their own favorite group of products they use. Whichever you end up using - you're trying to turn your cat into a flea-free zone, and you want all the baby fleas to come out and visit the cat so they can die. If you use Frontline or Advantage, I'd use it every 3 weeks until the fleas are under control, then see if you can go to the every 4 weeks it's labelled for. Revolution seems to work just fine at the every 4 week dosing.

The OTC flea control products vary in effectiveness, toxicity issues, and dosing (i.e., they may or may not have what they're really supposed to have in them). They're typically older, cheaper, more toxic chemicals - work well against the flea, but some of them also work well against the cat. The dog formulations are typically more toxic (cats are very sensitive to certain types of chemicals). Flea collars pretty much only work at the location of the collar, not over the whole animal - and again, can be toxic.

You want to encourage the fleas to come out of the pupa and visit the cats. The easiest way to do this is to vacuum. Everywhere. Every day. Into corners, under furniture. Wash anything the pets have been on that can be washed, and vacuum the rest (pet beds, couch cushions, bed mattresses...) . You're trying to get the vibrations to stimulate the fleas to come out. Empty the bag (outside!) every day (here's somewhere to use the flea collar - in the garbage bag, to kill any fleas that have been sucked up). The more fleas you can get to come out of hiding, the faster they will come to the cats and DIE.

And then there's environmental control. Of course, getting the fleas under control will work faster if you can kill all the larvae and pupae and eggs hanging out in your carpet/couch/etc. Flea bombs, sprays, and other treatments for house and yard exist. Some people want to use them, some would rather not. Even if you don't - be diligent with the flea control on the cats - and you can have control over the fleas in a period of 3-6 months. Soemtimes more, sometimes less.

Talk to your vet. They will know what products work well in their hands, which products seem to work best against the local fleas, as well as be your source of all these products. I can only talk about the products I know - it's possible your vet doesn't carry one or more of these products, because they've found that something else does the trick :)
 
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Also I noticed that Harley moves his mouth a lot like he's chewing something but there is nothing in there. Any idea why that could be?

Grinding teeth can be a sign of pain. Occasionally you'll get a critter that seems to do it more for boredom, but I'd rule pain out first.
 
well, first, the cats are my brother inlaw and his wife's. she vaccuums on a daily basis and both cats are on some kind of flea treatmint. i have never seen either of them scratch like they have fleas. second, i'm not positive it WAS a flea, but i know that when you kill them, you have to roll them between your fingers cause their "shell" is really hard and you cant just smoosh them. thats what i had to do to this thing. third, harley doesnt really "grind" his teeth, he just looks like one of those dubbed japanese movies where their lips move and the words start after their lips stop. he doesnt do it all the time. i only see him do it when i'm at the cage talking to him. i thought maybe he was just talking back, but then i keep reading all of these posts about malo and (by the way i feel soooooooo bad for everyone who is going through that) i worry about my babies. i dont know if they came from a breeder or a pet store. i'm the third parent they've had (and the last one they'll ever have), but they werent on good food and they didnt have any hay or anything. my sister is a vet tech and she knows a little about them, but not a whole lot and she said from appearance, they look fine. i know that they hide pain, but neither of them has a problem eating or anything. also, i'm kind of a hypochondriac and i aways think the worst when it comes to ailments, especially those that i dont know much about when its an animal that i cant just tell has something wrong with it.
 
Chinchillas fur is too dense for fleas. The only place a flea could possible be able to get around on a chin is the hands or feet and possibly tail. There is no flea treatment for chins. Not all flea treatment is effective. You should check and fight out what type of flea treatment the cats are on, and then let us know. Sometimes a chins mouth is in constant motion, most likely he's eating his poo. Teeth chattering are when a chin is warning you to stay away, they are irritated and want to be left alone. Chins also scratch so this is not abnormal.
 
Your description sounds more like a tick than a flea. A tick has a hard body. A flea is hard to squish because, they are flat. Not to mention they are quick to hop away so, hard to catch.
Either way, I wouldn't be too worried about the chins for the reasons already stated. If the cats are treated regularly with a product that kills fleas at all stages you shouldn't have a problem. The carpet is definitely a logical source for the fleas so, it is good that it is gone.
My parents had a really bad infestation one year and had to pull up the carpet to get rid of the flea eggs and stop the cycle.
 
well, i used to live on a farm, so i know what ticks look like, and it was too small to be that. and i tried to smooch the thing and it started to crawl away so i used my nail and kind of rooled it and killed it. i'm pretty sure it was a flea, but i've lived here for 8 months with my husband and his brother and sister in law have been here for three years and i havent seen one until last night. i dont think we have an infestation. i'm glad to know that its kind of common for his mouth to move like that. but i dont think he eats his poo, he's always pushing it away from him, but he does chew on sticks alot so that could be it. thank you everyone
 
Well, chins can get fleas, trust me. I had a rescue come in with about 20 on her, but she was so matted it was easy to get to her skin. Maybe that was why. She had them on her legs, her ears and her tail, plus in between the mats. We did not use a treatment but just groomed her and got them out. I don't have cats or dogs or carpet so no fleas stayed, and I caught it in the car ride home, so I was extremely careful. I would not trust any chemical on a chin, it just has not been tested enough, IMO. There will not be many fleas, if any. It is more likely fungus if the itching is extreme. You should be able to see the fleas.
 
he doesnt itch that much, mostly when he is cleaning himself. he isnt losing any fur either so i dont think its a fungus. i havent seen anymore fleas either so i think everything is ok. also are plush polyester hammocks ok to use?
 
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