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A week or more ago I made a post my beautiful girl princess gave birth to triplets. I was gone for a half hour and when I came back everything looked just like it was except three babies were under her.
She comes from very high quality lines, and before pregnancy she was 1000grams, and less than a year at birth. It is ironic that I was so worried she wouldnt have the mothering instinct, she has it better than any other breeder I have..
All babies, three of them, were born at 55, 57, and 53 grams. The male the smallest, the female the largest. The second female in the middle. I am explaining this as it may be pertainent to anyone who will reply to this.
All placentas were gone, and not a shaving had a drop of blood on it. Her milk came in, and yes obviously this is her first litter, within 2 hours. The next day, her mammory glands felt like huge muscles under her. Her nipples litteraly ALL shot milk in the air is you applied slight pressure.
Problem is, the babies rooted, which I think is their instinct, but they didnt nurse. They all didnt nurse until each had lost ten or so grams, into the 40's. It has taken until two days ago, and now they are gaining from that.
because f all the unused milk at the time of production, she got mastitis. I ave never had kids, but it is common in cows,and unfortunatly my mother had it when she lost my brother, the doctor made her go through it refusing to give her meds, telling her it was the "mourning process" ( that was in the late 70's) .
Her nipples looked like someone took a razor and cut a perfect circle around each one by the base. It was only on her left side, the top two nipples. The very top one, closest to her arm, was actually of appearence of lifting off the skin and becoming disconnected. I noticed this the third day of the birth. I did my morning round, and discovered it. At my night round less than 7 hours ago she was fine. Where the worst one was, it looked milky, and yellow crust was surronding it, no doubt from the milk on it, and bacteria and being wet. I cut her hair off on the whole area of her nipples, where they would put their mouths, so the hair would not go into the wounds and infect. I had to pull the rest of the hair out. I took a chemical freeze pack, and applied it to her, but before doing so, I expelled all the milk fro each nipple as much as I could. Her glands were definetlty decreased a ton by this, and once the milk got out, beause it was clogged, she actually relaxed against my chest, she felt relief. I was worried. the area was fire hot. I decided I would expel 2 or 3 times a day, cold compress, wound clean, and if worse or same in two days, doctor. The reason is the babies needed her at so young, the stress of going to the vet for this could stress her and change the outcome of her babies, and also they need milk, and her other 4 nipples were working. One thing I noticed is NONE of the chinchillas I have, which come from all over, have never nursed at the two bottom nipples, and they seemed to have the most milk on this mother this time.
Anyways, to prevent it on the other side, I clipped all of their teeth. Off. I did not cut the skin, no blood. I cut her hair bald on the other side, and she started to cover her injured side and make them milk off of her other side. It worked. She didnt have any problems. So why am I writing this?
I decided when I clipped teeth, that three was too much for her as a first litter with the nursing comlications. I have a mother that gave birth less than two weeks before her, to a baby that would be a first cousin to Princesse's babies. This baby is 217 grams today at three weeks and two days. I put the boy, who ripped up his little sister's face, the one that WAS biggest, I put him in with her, just to rotate at first, because she accepts any babies, and her baby loves being in with other babies.
To my suprise, I think the rumor Oxytocin stops as far as the amount of milk production after ten days is false. She started to produce three times more milk. Her baby that big dioesnt even nurse. She drinks from the bottle and eats food. cassie did it though, and the boy is 78 grams now. He is litteraly gaining at 4 or 5 a day.
However, the little one I am making this post about, I noticed something funny with her.
Ever since she has been born, she ACTS normal, however, she is very small, and I hope I am not insulting anyone on here, but she looks asian in face. Her eyes are almost almond shape, and you know how you can feel the rest of a huge chin eye in the socket? her's is tiny, and her nostrils match, it is almost as if they did not develop properly. They are everyday twice a day filled with this weird brown stuff, and it is painful for her to remove it because she has a scar on there, since the second day of her birth, that has not healed. I am wondering if it is because her mouth area is always wet from nursing so that is why?
She also dropped to her lowest point two days ago, 38 grams. I decided a week ago if she got to 35 I am going to put her down.
She has strength, and is eating and pooping, but where is it going? She has been at 39 numerous times, 40 at most, in the last 6 days, not going above or below the lowest number. I am thinking to supplement her, but I see the recipe I search for is always saying one can of goats milk, one tablespoon baby rice ceral, warm water, but you dont add a whole can of goats milk obviously, I have done searches in five different terms. I am stupid cos I cant find the measurements. A guy I know who is very credible with animals told me if I have her get 5 or 6 drops from an eye dropper twice a day that is good.
I am just wondering, since she is eating, and it is just her and her sister, where the heck is the weight going?? I wrote lethal on the title because the father, he is a **** beige. The seller told me he was a "pink white **** beige" to make it sound exotic. To me it is a pink and white, a het or a **** beige, or tere are pink white mutations.
She may have said, and I dont remember I have had the dad for like 2 years now, that one of his parents was **** beige, the other pink white maybe.
The father has had a few litters before her, and no matter what, he always throws het. beiges. So I believe he is just a **** beige .
But this little girl makes me wonder if she is a lethal. Lethal as my understanding means less babies, a quarter less concieved, in theory. When princess was about a month and a half pregnant, I swear she had four, I felt each one, but she absorbed one and had a day of bloody discharge for a very short time, and then these three came out.
I am wondering, with knowing all this history, could someone please tell me if they think it is worth it to even supplement, and am I correct about lethal genes or can the babies be born and die later because of it?
Also, not sure if I mentioned this, which is important, the mother is a "wilson" type white. She is huge, her father was first place champ in the state, a "tov white", and her mother was a standard. She came out of them. Two of her babies, the girl who is small that I am worried about, is a pink white, but also has very light and fluffy hair tipped with her mothers black. Her mother is pure white except on the very base of her tail, and around her eye brows.
The male, is a pure pink white. The other female, as always with the father, is a beautiful very light het beige. One more important thing MAYBE is that when the said girl was born, her eyes were closed, the others were open. Her left eye was worse than the right. It was almost like there was a film over them. On the third day, her right eye was open, but very small, and the left I rubbed open gently with a washcloth. Later that day, both eyes were sealed shut. I opened them, and noticed almost a crust, I want to say like pink eye but it was NOTHING like gooey, or a lot, like a film that was closing them. I took it off. In the past three days, since she has stabalized and stopped losing, and gained a gram, her eyes are normal, but compared to her brother he looks older than her. His ears are unfolding, etc, but she jumps and runs like him. She does NOT act like her head is too heavy, in fact she stands up on her hind legs, much like her uncle, her mother's biological brother, same parents only a year older, and he walks the bottom of his cage on his hind legs,. She has started to hold herself up like this a lot and she is wobbly but if she was weak I dont think she would.
Sorry for the length of this. I am a hobby breeder. Maybe people think I excessivley worry, but I am responsible for lives here and I take my responsibility seriously. If I can help her live, I will do whatever. If I cant, I will put her out of her suffering, anything else would be selfish, and leave it tome to be the type of person to get the most attached to her. .
The mastitis is cleared up. Anyone willing to help me with the advice asked I really appreicate thanks!
A week or more ago I made a post my beautiful girl princess gave birth to triplets. I was gone for a half hour and when I came back everything looked just like it was except three babies were under her.
She comes from very high quality lines, and before pregnancy she was 1000grams, and less than a year at birth. It is ironic that I was so worried she wouldnt have the mothering instinct, she has it better than any other breeder I have..
All babies, three of them, were born at 55, 57, and 53 grams. The male the smallest, the female the largest. The second female in the middle. I am explaining this as it may be pertainent to anyone who will reply to this.
All placentas were gone, and not a shaving had a drop of blood on it. Her milk came in, and yes obviously this is her first litter, within 2 hours. The next day, her mammory glands felt like huge muscles under her. Her nipples litteraly ALL shot milk in the air is you applied slight pressure.
Problem is, the babies rooted, which I think is their instinct, but they didnt nurse. They all didnt nurse until each had lost ten or so grams, into the 40's. It has taken until two days ago, and now they are gaining from that.
because f all the unused milk at the time of production, she got mastitis. I ave never had kids, but it is common in cows,and unfortunatly my mother had it when she lost my brother, the doctor made her go through it refusing to give her meds, telling her it was the "mourning process" ( that was in the late 70's) .
Her nipples looked like someone took a razor and cut a perfect circle around each one by the base. It was only on her left side, the top two nipples. The very top one, closest to her arm, was actually of appearence of lifting off the skin and becoming disconnected. I noticed this the third day of the birth. I did my morning round, and discovered it. At my night round less than 7 hours ago she was fine. Where the worst one was, it looked milky, and yellow crust was surronding it, no doubt from the milk on it, and bacteria and being wet. I cut her hair off on the whole area of her nipples, where they would put their mouths, so the hair would not go into the wounds and infect. I had to pull the rest of the hair out. I took a chemical freeze pack, and applied it to her, but before doing so, I expelled all the milk fro each nipple as much as I could. Her glands were definetlty decreased a ton by this, and once the milk got out, beause it was clogged, she actually relaxed against my chest, she felt relief. I was worried. the area was fire hot. I decided I would expel 2 or 3 times a day, cold compress, wound clean, and if worse or same in two days, doctor. The reason is the babies needed her at so young, the stress of going to the vet for this could stress her and change the outcome of her babies, and also they need milk, and her other 4 nipples were working. One thing I noticed is NONE of the chinchillas I have, which come from all over, have never nursed at the two bottom nipples, and they seemed to have the most milk on this mother this time.
Anyways, to prevent it on the other side, I clipped all of their teeth. Off. I did not cut the skin, no blood. I cut her hair bald on the other side, and she started to cover her injured side and make them milk off of her other side. It worked. She didnt have any problems. So why am I writing this?
I decided when I clipped teeth, that three was too much for her as a first litter with the nursing comlications. I have a mother that gave birth less than two weeks before her, to a baby that would be a first cousin to Princesse's babies. This baby is 217 grams today at three weeks and two days. I put the boy, who ripped up his little sister's face, the one that WAS biggest, I put him in with her, just to rotate at first, because she accepts any babies, and her baby loves being in with other babies.
To my suprise, I think the rumor Oxytocin stops as far as the amount of milk production after ten days is false. She started to produce three times more milk. Her baby that big dioesnt even nurse. She drinks from the bottle and eats food. cassie did it though, and the boy is 78 grams now. He is litteraly gaining at 4 or 5 a day.
However, the little one I am making this post about, I noticed something funny with her.
Ever since she has been born, she ACTS normal, however, she is very small, and I hope I am not insulting anyone on here, but she looks asian in face. Her eyes are almost almond shape, and you know how you can feel the rest of a huge chin eye in the socket? her's is tiny, and her nostrils match, it is almost as if they did not develop properly. They are everyday twice a day filled with this weird brown stuff, and it is painful for her to remove it because she has a scar on there, since the second day of her birth, that has not healed. I am wondering if it is because her mouth area is always wet from nursing so that is why?
She also dropped to her lowest point two days ago, 38 grams. I decided a week ago if she got to 35 I am going to put her down.
She has strength, and is eating and pooping, but where is it going? She has been at 39 numerous times, 40 at most, in the last 6 days, not going above or below the lowest number. I am thinking to supplement her, but I see the recipe I search for is always saying one can of goats milk, one tablespoon baby rice ceral, warm water, but you dont add a whole can of goats milk obviously, I have done searches in five different terms. I am stupid cos I cant find the measurements. A guy I know who is very credible with animals told me if I have her get 5 or 6 drops from an eye dropper twice a day that is good.
I am just wondering, since she is eating, and it is just her and her sister, where the heck is the weight going?? I wrote lethal on the title because the father, he is a **** beige. The seller told me he was a "pink white **** beige" to make it sound exotic. To me it is a pink and white, a het or a **** beige, or tere are pink white mutations.
She may have said, and I dont remember I have had the dad for like 2 years now, that one of his parents was **** beige, the other pink white maybe.
The father has had a few litters before her, and no matter what, he always throws het. beiges. So I believe he is just a **** beige .
But this little girl makes me wonder if she is a lethal. Lethal as my understanding means less babies, a quarter less concieved, in theory. When princess was about a month and a half pregnant, I swear she had four, I felt each one, but she absorbed one and had a day of bloody discharge for a very short time, and then these three came out.
I am wondering, with knowing all this history, could someone please tell me if they think it is worth it to even supplement, and am I correct about lethal genes or can the babies be born and die later because of it?
Also, not sure if I mentioned this, which is important, the mother is a "wilson" type white. She is huge, her father was first place champ in the state, a "tov white", and her mother was a standard. She came out of them. Two of her babies, the girl who is small that I am worried about, is a pink white, but also has very light and fluffy hair tipped with her mothers black. Her mother is pure white except on the very base of her tail, and around her eye brows.
The male, is a pure pink white. The other female, as always with the father, is a beautiful very light het beige. One more important thing MAYBE is that when the said girl was born, her eyes were closed, the others were open. Her left eye was worse than the right. It was almost like there was a film over them. On the third day, her right eye was open, but very small, and the left I rubbed open gently with a washcloth. Later that day, both eyes were sealed shut. I opened them, and noticed almost a crust, I want to say like pink eye but it was NOTHING like gooey, or a lot, like a film that was closing them. I took it off. In the past three days, since she has stabalized and stopped losing, and gained a gram, her eyes are normal, but compared to her brother he looks older than her. His ears are unfolding, etc, but she jumps and runs like him. She does NOT act like her head is too heavy, in fact she stands up on her hind legs, much like her uncle, her mother's biological brother, same parents only a year older, and he walks the bottom of his cage on his hind legs,. She has started to hold herself up like this a lot and she is wobbly but if she was weak I dont think she would.
Sorry for the length of this. I am a hobby breeder. Maybe people think I excessivley worry, but I am responsible for lives here and I take my responsibility seriously. If I can help her live, I will do whatever. If I cant, I will put her out of her suffering, anything else would be selfish, and leave it tome to be the type of person to get the most attached to her. .
The mastitis is cleared up. Anyone willing to help me with the advice asked I really appreicate thanks!
