Pardon me if I don't believe that Kawaii_hedgie_chin_love and gliderchillalove are not the same person. The two screen names are the only people in this thread that have referred to red chins as "abominations" and you DO have matching IP addresses. It's not a hard thing to look up, FYI.
What Makes you think i don't understand quality? I get that red is a bad thing.
You don’t seem to understand why or you wouldn’t even be considering breeding for a red chinchilla. A red tint or hue goes hand in hand with a muddy bar. You cannot breed a red chinchilla that has GREAT clarity. You get red and muddy or clear and blue. This is another thing that has to do with genetics. Certain traits are linked and you can’t breed for one without getting the other.
A very, very rusty beige that pretty much covers up the original beige coloring
Red, rusty beiges quickly become orange which turns to a muddy very ugly brownish orange. I’m not saying it’s undesirable because I like blue…I’ve talked to people that have never been to shows as I had a rescue beige that looked just like that and NO pet person wanted her over my show beiges that have a blue hue. I ended up keeping that chin until the day she died because not ONE person wanted her.
Just because something isn't appealing for you it doesn't mean that everyone is going to hate
Just because something is appealing to you doesn’t mean it should be bred. This is why not everyone should be a breeder. People that just breed for appeal and what will sell on the pet market are the people that end up with malo and other genetic or health problems in their lines. Their selection is not for quality…it’s for looks and what will bring the most $$$. That’s not the mark of a good breeder.
I understand that a red is not a mutation, but in fact a tint to the fur
I understand the it cannot, nor will it ever be a new mutation, but an off-color chinchilla
Nor can it be recessive/dominant/etc.
I understand genetics perfectly well.
Again, I am aware that new red mutation isn't going to happen.
This right here shows you do not have a true understanding of genetics. New mutations cannot be predicted. You can’t say there is no possibility of a red mutation in the future just as I can’t say it will definitely occur. A mutation is random and until it’s here you can’t say if it will be dominant or recessive or that it will even occur.
Is that so? because I think if a new red mutation popped up people would be all over it just like they were with every other mutation of chin that's coma about.
The new angora is not being jumped all over. I’ve spoken to many ranchers about what if such and such new mutation popped up and they all said they would not want to put in the effort and time to develop a new mutation. I myself would not want to develop a new mutation. If you’re thinking of the interest from the pet side as evidenced in this thread then yes there would be people jumping on a new mutation…but they would be pet people or backyard breeders.
Why don't people get angry when black mixes with white? because it's been set as a "color" called mosaic. If "red" is set as a color, eventually down the line, people won't see it as an 'abomination' anymore, they will see it as a color of chinchilla.
I'm not saying that mosaic is a new color, I'm trying to highlight the point that it's an acceptable thing among chinchillas.
Red is not a color in chinchillas yet, it is a HUE. Black and White are both mutations and colors on their own. Mixing them doesn’t make a new color. No one is saying a red chinchilla would be an “abomination” you are still missing the point here. Red is a HUE and goes hand in hand with poor clarity(i.e. muddy bar). This makes the chinchilla’s coat look continually dirty and splotchy which even to pet people isn’t desirable. You don’t want an animal that always looks like it needs a bath.
Obviously it destroys the "true" color of a chinchilla, but if people aren't stupid about it, I don't see the harm.
It destroys the true color the chinchilla is supposed to be but you don’t see the harm? It destroys over 40 years of selective breeding to get the chinchillas to the quality we have them today, but you don’t see the harm? You’re talking about taking animals that ranchers and reputable breeders have worked YEARS sometimes their entire lives to improve and destroying it all for something YOU see as desirable. Pardon me if I don’t agree with that “sound” logic.
Ex. Dwarfs. Most breeders that acquire dwarfs will not sell to just any-old person off the streets. And even then only sell males so they are not bred like crazy.
Selling a male is ensuring it’s going to be bred all to ****. You only need one male to produce an army of carriers that can then be bred together to start your own herd of dwarf making machines. Everyone I know that has gotten dwarves now have built up their dwarf numbers just like that. You have to have a carrier female and a dwarf male. Dwarf females can very very easily die if bred and most people, even idiots, won’t risk the female because they are tiny and don’t even LOOK like they could carry a normal sized kit full term.
there are a handful of us who would love to try it or just have one (or see one)
Not meaning to cause offense but this is a complete backyard breeder statement. Breeding for "cute" babies and "cute" colors is what gets you the chins on CL that everyone is always complaining about. You don't understand breeding or standards at all if the thought of breeding a red hued off-color chinchilla is a scintillating idea.
