Raising Nixi... My First and Last Experience Breeding

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Airyn, hank you so much for sharing this. It's a well written story and so helpful. Someday, when we have the space, resources and I think I'm ready, I want to have a little rescue and stories like this help me toward my goal. I know I'm not ready yet, but reading about experiences in such detail really helps for that future goal.
 
I'm so glad it helped! One day I'd like to get into rescues as well, but I'm definitely a far cry from where I should be experience-wise for that. Maybe in about 10 years!
 
Thank you so much for sharing that story. I'm so happy 2 of the 3 kits survived. They are all beautiful.
 
Thanks for posting, I think it's great that you shared this so that others can see that breeding isn't all rainbows and lollypops.

Just wanted to mention, this is stuff to think about when you do rescue work as well... it's not all about just rehabbing adult chins, there's also potentially babies to deal with. So far I have had no pregnancy issues with my breeder chins, but last year I got in three female rescues, two of which were pregnant. The one delivered three kits, had no milk, and I had to handfeed for 9 weeks. Those all lived. When those kits were maybe 7-8 weeks old, the other female delivered, had three kits as well. The birth caused tears in her uterus, so we ran to the vet, tried to spay her to save her, but she passed anyway. So for about 2 weeks I had 6 kits to handfeed. Unfortunately, none of the second batch made it.
 
Amphy,

I'm beyond happy to hear that! It really was a life changing experience for me. If you have any other questions as you go along, please be sure to use this forum as much as you can. It's an amazing resource full of people that really do know what they're doing.

Be sure you check out the breeding horror stories as well, and don't be afraid to watch videos on YouTube. Some are positively awful, but it's so much better to know what to look for than to freak yourself out in the moment and lose the mom.

Best of luck to you!

Thanks. :)) I have definitely been making use of the forum (as well as other resources), it's very helpful. I would hate not to know how to handle something just because I didn't take time to learn from those with more experience. I think it's really important to know what can go wrong, so I have read the horror stories, and been considering how I would manage in a difficult situation like that (have seen some videos too, that's a good suggestion). One of the things that concerns me is how often even supposedly experienced vets seem to make mistakes with chins, that's really scary, so I think I also want to learn more about veterinary treatment and medicine, not just for breeding issues but for other health problems. That way I will at least have an idea what would usually be recommended, and be able to better understand the vet's explanations.

Sorry to hear about the kits and mum you lost, greychins, that must have been very hard. Rescues do really good work in managing that kind of situation.
 
Thanks again everyone! :)

Just wanted to mention, this is stuff to think about when you do rescue work as well... it's not all about just rehabbing adult chins, there's also potentially babies to deal with. So far I have had no pregnancy issues with my breeder chins, but last year I got in three female rescues, two of which were pregnant. The one delivered three kits, had no milk, and I had to handfeed for 9 weeks. Those all lived. When those kits were maybe 7-8 weeks old, the other female delivered, had three kits as well. The birth caused tears in her uterus, so we ran to the vet, tried to spay her to save her, but she passed anyway. So for about 2 weeks I had 6 kits to handfeed. Unfortunately, none of the second batch made it.

I'm so sorry to hear you lost them, but thank you for sharing! At this point, rescuing is a long way off, as I know I have a lot more to learn. I'd want to get to a point where I was mentally and financially capable of taking on whatever was thrown at me, and I know I'm certainly not there yet.

I'm positively in awe of your ability to handfeed that many at once. I was beyond stressed with one and when I had to handfeed two, I almost lost my mind. They were both so young that neither one of them liked the taste of the formula AT ALL, so it really was a battle to get them to eat anything. How on earth did you manage with 6 for two weeks? That's just amazing to me!

One of the things that concerns me is how often even supposedly experienced vets seem to make mistakes with chins, that's really scary, so I think I also want to learn more about veterinary treatment and medicine, not just for breeding issues but for other health problems. That way I will at least have an idea what would usually be recommended, and be able to better understand the vet's explanations.
situation.

I think it's wonderful that you want to learn that much! I'm a research-a-holic, so if you find any decent resources please send them my way!

In my opinion, the key with vets is to find one that's willing to work with you - one who won't balk when you say "the breeder said XYZ, which is contradictory to your suggestion." A lot has happened in the past 6 months, so I've felt like quite a broken record with that one. I ask them to explain the logic of their proposed treatment quite a bit.
 
wow, what a heartbreaking story! I was almost in tears while reading your post. You described your experience so well that I felt I was there. I think experiences like yours that are shared for us will hopefully make some rethink their spontaneous decision to start breeding, because the kits are so cute. There is so much work and time and emotional rollercoasters that go along with it. Thanks for sharing!

And your chins are beautiful! Great pics!
 
Thanks again everyone! :)

I'm so sorry to hear you lost them, but thank you for sharing! At this point, rescuing is a long way off, as I know I have a lot more to learn. I'd want to get to a point where I was mentally and financially capable of taking on whatever was thrown at me, and I know I'm certainly not there yet.

I'm positively in awe of your ability to handfeed that many at once. I was beyond stressed with one and when I had to handfeed two, I almost lost my mind. They were both so young that neither one of them liked the taste of the formula AT ALL, so it really was a battle to get them to eat anything. How on earth did you manage with 6 for two weeks? That's just amazing to me!

Well, I don't know about being financially able to take care of everything... if every chin that we have got sick at the same time I'd be panicking, but that's what credit cards are for, right? Haha. Though I do have a decent amount of money put aside for emergencies, so it pretty much never comes to that. For everything else, there's care credit and credit cards.

Somehow, I didn't have too much trouble with handfeeding, actually (for the first 3 babies... the second three just never did well and declined pretty fast after their mom passed). The babies ate pretty well for me. I started feeding them with a syringe, which they did fine with at the beginning (held 1 CC), but one of the babies was a freaking little pig and I'd have to refill the syringe like 10 times in one feeding... so a breeder friend gave me the suggestion of using a glass babyfood jar with one of the stoppers/glass tubes from a ryerson water bottle. When I started using that, they could drink as much as they wanted without me having to refill... and they drank at their pace (rather than me pushing on the syringe to get the liquid out), so that really did seem to work better for them.

I won't say it was easy - as you know, you get very little sleep while handfeeding. It was especially hard for me (just bad timing) because I was in the few weeks before taking the Indiana bar exam. So every day I had a review session to go to that took several hours and then I also was working... and studying in my free time... so it was a busy busy few months for me. During my review sessions, we had a break for lunch. I would feed them right before I left, run home for lunch and feed them, and then feed them the second I got home (which was about every 2 hours, more or less, the review sessions lasted around 5 hours). Then when I'd go to work, same thing. For two months I kept telling my managers that I needed to take long lunches and I could only work short shifts (4-5 hours) so that I could go home at lunch to feed and then not be gone too long so I could feed again. Thank god I had understanding managers. And then of course at night, I would be up every two hours. For me, it got to the point where I didn't even try to sleep the entire night. I would go to sleep for two hours, wake up and feed, stay up for a few hours, feed again, go back to sleep for another two hours... my sleep schedule was messed up for quite some time, but it did work out pretty well.... since all I was doing in my free time was studying, I parked a chair and small table near the chin cages so I could just get the chins out every 2 hours easily to feed.

Once the chins hit about 6 weeks, they could go about 2-3 hours between feedings, and then I had the bar exam. I want to say Indiana's is about 8 hours long each day (there's two days). Both days I fed first thing in the morning, went there, went home on lunch, and ran back to take the afternoon portion, ran home and fed right after. I will say it was the worst timing ever to handfeed, but you know, when you choose to rescue and/or breed, you have to be prepared to do whatever comes your way.

The second batch of chins were born a few days after the bar exam, thank god, and I was still feeding the first batch. Things went ok for the first day, but then mom started bleeding, was rushed to the vet, and ultimately didn't make it. Unfortunately, the babies declined fast. As all my breeder chins are super-slow breeders (I've had all of ONE baby born in the last 2 years from my breeders--my current kit Sugar), I didn't have a mom to foster, but I put the babies in with a super-mellow chin that I have that had fostered for a previous breeder. The kits loved her... but they just weren't eating well, no matter what I did, and they all died about two weeks later within a day or two of each other....they had been gaining, but all seemed to start showing signs of neurological problems, and passed shortly afterwards.

I will say that I thought of almost nothing else for those months. It almost got the point where I was on autopilot - every two hours the timer would beep, I'd go feed the chins, and then I'd be back to whatever I was doing. It was busy busy. But in the end, at least the first set made it and they all found homes and are doing well.

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Greychins,

Thanks for the pics! They're all absolutely adorable! I was exhausted just reading your message, but it definitely made me feel a little less crazy for being as attentive to Nixi as I was. I'm still in awe of your ability to juggle that many at once, but I completely understand the auto-pilot you mentioned... probably better than I'll ever need to. In retrospect, I wish I knew about the ryerson water bottle trick you mentioned. That would've helped tremendously, even if it just bought me an extra hour of sleep.

I'm sorry it took so long to respond! Work took precedence. Now the real question... with all that was going on, did you pass the bar? :)

*Laurie*
 
Greychins,

Thanks for the pics! They're all absolutely adorable! I was exhausted just reading your message, but it definitely made me feel a little less crazy for being as attentive to Nixi as I was. I'm still in awe of your ability to juggle that many at once, but I completely understand the auto-pilot you mentioned... probably better than I'll ever need to. In retrospect, I wish I knew about the ryerson water bottle trick you mentioned. That would've helped tremendously, even if it just bought me an extra hour of sleep.

I'm sorry it took so long to respond! Work took precedence. Now the real question... with all that was going on, did you pass the bar? :)

*Laurie*

Haha yeah they were great. They all found good homes as well. :)

The Ryerson water bottle trick... apparently doesn't work for all chins. I just got in several rescues, two of which are 3-4ish? week old kits who just had their mother die...so you know what that means! More handfeeding. Joy joy. I've only had them a few days, but neither will take to the ryerson method at all... they really just want to eat out of the syringe.. which is fine. At least I can tell how much they're eating, which would be more difficult with the bottle.

I did pass the bar (who-hoo!!) actually, though I'm not quite sure how that happened. A miracle clearly, haha. I did study and prepare, don't get me wrong, but I was just so stressed with the kits and everything else going on, I was just ecstatic that I passed. Now, if only I could find a job that relates to all of that schooling.... (I currently make $8-something an hour at a retail store because legal jobs are currently inexistent) - really glad I have my chin-vet-fund already on the side!
 
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