Kaytee Timothy Complete?

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I have not seen anyone on here recommend this brand, but I bought it, and will be getting a chin in a few days possibly. Is it any good? Or should I just throw it away and get some Oxbow immediately? I read somewhere that it's low on protien, but I'm sure I can balance that out with some alfalfa hay, right?
 
Take the food back to the store, it is crap food. Oxbow is a much, much better choice and is what I feed my chin. There are threads, if you check the search engine, which name off some great pellet choices. I then offer unlimited Timothy hay and apple sticks.
 
If its the complete without the flowers, herbs, fruit and veggies then the ingrediants seem ok, but Kaytee is known for not being very fresh so I personally would not feed it since chins are picky and I fear they would not eat it. Chins like Oxbow, so if its a choice I would stick with that.



Ingredients:
Sun-cured Timothy Grass Hay, Wheat Middlings, Ground Wheat, Oat Hulls, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Sun-cured Alfalfa Meal, Dried Cane Molasses, Salt, Dicalcium Phosphate, Soy Oil, Calcium Carbonate, DL-Methionine, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Vitamin A Supplement, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, Riboflavin Supplement, Manganous Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of vitamin K activity), Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Cholecalciferol (source of vitamin D3), Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Folic Acid, Calcium Iodate, Dried A. oryzae Fermentation Extract (source of protease), Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Cobalt Carbonate, Sodium Selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude protein (min) 14.0%, crude fat (min) 2.0%, crude fiber (max) 23.0%, moisture (max) 12.0%, calcium (min) 0.4%, calcium (max) 0.9%, phosphorus (min) 0.4%, salt (min) 0.25%, salt (max) 0.75%, potassium (min) 1.2%, iron (min) 150 ppm, copper (min) 20 ppm, manganese (min) 100 ppm, zinc (min) 80 ppm, vitamin A (min) 4000 IU/lb, vitamin D (min) 500 IU/lb, vitamin E (min) 20 IU/lb, riboflavin (min) 3 mg/lb, d-Pantothenic acid (min) 6 mg/lb, niacin (min) 20 mg/lb, ascorbic acid (min) 100 mg/lb
 
Low protein is actually better. I was told the "ideal" would be at 15% but that nobody does that. So the protein wouldn't bother me. The ingredients look decent, but as Dawn said, freshness is an issue. They never put a date on their feeds because they know they will sit in warehouses for God knows how long.
 
Hmm... I thought I read somewhere that anything below 16% was detrimental, but I don't remember where. I think it was in Oxbow's explanation as to why they changed their protein content from 16% to 18%. I don't remember if it was on here or CnQ, but I'll go dig around a bit. I think it was in the e-mail they sent to Sandi when she asked about the protein change.
 
When I used a timmy pellet and hay-no alfalfa, which is a low protein diet the poo was really nice quality and lots of it, but the fur looked skuzzy and dull. So IMO digestion wise its ideal for low protein and fat, for the fur not so much.
 
I don't think anybody does sell it for a good price anymore lime. Oxbow has gotten positively stupid with their pricing since they won't sell to the public anymore. I would recommend you find a different form of feed that someone on here sells by the quantity you need, Tradition, Nutrena, something. I am not a fan of Oxbow at all anymore. I think they got greedy and they put the screws to their customers. I won't recommend them anymore.

Dawn - I believe Tradition sits at 16%. I had the best coats, best overall health, best everything when my chins were on that. Butler's told me 15% years and years ago and I tried to stay as close to that as I can. Nutrena is 16% and I've had good luck with that. I still don't think it's as good a feed as Tradition, but I can't get that out here, so I work with what I can. When I fed Tradition though, I also fed the supplement that Ryerson's sold. The two in combination did a darn good job.

As an aside, when I had bad supplement that I bought from someone else cause a huge issue in my herd, I called Jan in a panic and asked what else I could do, over and above what I was doing. She, along with Joe Butler, recommended no pellets at all, just hay, and to watch their poos. She said if they were dark colored or even black, they had way too much protein going in and that the hay only diet would bring that back to normal. They were both right. My chins hated me for weeks when I would not give them pellets, and when I finally gave them back they were like a ravenous hoard, but I watch now carefully. If I ever see darker poos, I go to all hay until it clears up. I think of it like a purge for the fuzzies.
 
The timothy pellet was min of 8% protein, min 1.2% fat, min 30% fiber from my notes, too low for good fur, IMO.
 
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