finally bought a gram scale and weighed everyone

[RDZCRanch]

there water intake is very good,they drink alotttt of water lol, and i understand completely what you all are saying.ill just have to wait till they are fully matured to see who all even cuts it in the weight issue...i know ebonys are always usually smaller does he have a decent weight for him??

I am not sure where you got this information but it's incorrect. We had a problem a few years back where the ebonies were slow growing but a lot of the people who work seriously with ebs have corrected the problem. Onix is very small...he's only 500g and over 8 months old. My 8 month old chins do not weigh less than 700g...and they are not overweight...

If you have questions about ebony sizes, just ask Wendy(Designer Chins) and she's got charts of evidence of her chin's growth rates and sizes. No color chin should be small...the only chin I've noticed being smaller because not much work has been done on them are sapphires but even they are improving in size.

 

[chinchillalover0927]

i actually got that off of here,i have read multiple post stating about ebonys being smaller than other chins, ill juts keep updates on there weights to see who is improving and who isnt going to be big at all..you all said i shouldnt breed any of them if they are under 700 rite?? just a question what if there features are wonderful,coat etc...would they still not be good breeding material because of there size?? just wondering since im talking to all of you about it id like to get everything correct and non mislead like i somehow did on the ebony size issue lol

 

[RDZCRanch]

i actually got that off of here,i have read multiple post stating about ebonys being smaller than other chins, ill juts keep updates on there weights to see who is improving and who isnt going to be big at all..you all said i shouldnt breed any of them if they are under 700 rite?? just a question what if there features are wonderful,coat etc...would they still not be good breeding material because of there size?? just wondering since im talking to all of you about it id like to get everything correct and non mislead like i somehow did on the ebony size issue lol

I would only consider the males. Females need to be much larger. I personally wouldn't put a female under 750g in breeding and even that is a little low and pushing it. If the male is outstanding and his only fault is size I will still breed him and just give him some extra large girls(1000g+).

 

[chinchillalover0927]

ok thank you, i was curious about that issue,i would like to purchase some chins that i see most of you selling but i dont have ways to get them everyone is sooooo far away from me...my only local breeder is spoof..and she is 3 hours away

 

[Claire D]

You said you were full ............ you also said you were not going to breed chinchillas ...........

 

[Euphoric]

Yeah, I am really confused on what you want.
I think you and your boyfriend have TONS of chins, and suffer from "It is not enough" and "New pet syndrome," which I think we all suffer from occassionaly.
Maybe you should be happy with what you have and the great chins you already have,
and start breeding down the road?
But I agree with everyone else, they need more weight.
I actually think they need more hay, not pellets. I feed unlimited hay to my 3 chins and 2 rabbits, and they go through 3 large bags (They are 50lb pellet bags) per month.
and I also have to throw a lot of hay away because i notice if they pee/poop or sometime even step on it they won't eat it because its "no good"
and they wont eat low quality hay either.

 

[jags]

I am not saying the original posters chins are worthy or not of breeding as I have not seen them in person but if the only chins worthy of breeding are over 750 I am doing things all wrong here. First off weight is not a true judge of size and a lot of other qualities should be considered also before deciding if they are worthy of being breed. The first place to start before breeding is to decide what your goals are and where you want to go with them. Size is only but one quality even when breeding for show animals and If size was everything I should have took top honors at the Michigan show as the 13 animals I had out of the top 20 on the final table were the largest animals on the table. The Grandshow and Reserve Grandshow while smaller had other things going for them that swayed the judge in their favor and rightfully so.

 

[chinchillalover0927]

first of all i didnt say that i WAS getting anymore chinchillas and i didnt say i was breeding them RITE NOW so please stop jumping to conclusions, that is a completely different topic and isnt what i was discussing with everyone on this thread, im talking to people about advice...thats all..and no im NOT purchasing anymore chins rite now, if i do it will be way later...not anytime soon............

 

[chinchillalover0927]

i do feed them hay but i dont give them unlimited amounts because they waste so much, when i feed them in the afternoons i give them a huge handfull...ill try that though, like i said any advice helps..

 

[Claire D]

first of all i didnt say that i WAS getting anymore chinchillas and i didnt say i was breeding them RITE NOW so please stop jumping to conclusions, that is a completely different topic and isnt what i was discussing with everyone on this thread, im talking to people about advice...thats all..and no im NOT purchasing anymore chins rite now, if i do it will be way later...not anytime soon............

Actually you have mentioned both breeding and getting new chins in this thread - so the comments and questions fit into this thread very well .................

..............we brought almost all of them along to see if they were quality enough to breed or to be pet only....a few of them didnt cut it lol but most of them she said were nice...the ones that didnt cut it wont be being bred at all..

.......you all said i shouldnt breed any of them if they are under 700 rite?? just a question what if there features are wonderful,coat etc...would they still not be good breeding material because of there size??

...............i would like to purchase some chins that i see most of you selling but i dont have ways to get them everyone is sooooo far away from me...

No-one is jumping to conclusions -we're just reading your contradicting posts & responding accordingly.

 

[Stackie]

.......you all said i shouldnt breed any of them if they are under 700 rite?? just a question what if there features are wonderful,coat etc...would they still not be good breeding material because of there size??

I'm not a breeder but from what I have read, smaller females with smaller pelvises have more of a chance of having larger kits stuck in the birth canal which can kill both mom and baby. A smaller female with lots of kits can lose nutrients quick, rendering her unable to care for all the babies, and could make mom sick.

The question always pops up in my mind...why can't people just enjoy chins for the wonderful pets that they are I will never understand the urge everyone has to throw a male and female together to make babies, especially with all the complications that can arise. There are plenty of chins in rescues, and plenty of knowledgeable experienced breeders out there.

 

[chinchillalover0927]

yes i have mentioned it but i didnt say i was doing it rite now, in my other thread i said id put off breeding, i didnt say i was NEVER going to do it...

 

[RDZCRanch]

I am not saying the original posters chins are worthy or not of breeding as I have not seen them in person but if the only chins worthy of breeding are over 750 I am doing things all wrong here. First off weight is not a true judge of size and a lot of other qualities should be considered also before deciding if they are worthy of being breed. The first place to start before breeding is to decide what your goals are and where you want to go with them. Size is only but one quality even when breeding for show animals and If size was everything I should have took top honors at the Michigan show as the 13 animals I had out of the top 20 on the final table were the largest animals on the table. The Grandshow and Reserve Grandshow while smaller had other things going for them that swayed the judge in their favor and rightfully so.

While this is true...would you really recommend someone starting out disregard size in favor of all the other qualities? To pair 500 to 600 gram chins together because they have good qualities other than size? When she asked about the other qualities I DID say that in my males size is not a large issue to me, I want them to have the other qualities more than size. But she specifically asked about size in this particular thread...and she was answered accordingly. Size is not everything but I wouldn't tell someone new to breeding that has never been to a show to disregard it because GSC chins have been chins that are not the largest on the table. Size may not be everything but it is an important factor in chins, just as clarity, density and conformation way in on the decision for the chin. We also mentioned she get them evaluated at a show or by a sanctioned judge as we can't see the chins ourselves.

 

[threewingedfury]

The problem is - people are giving you advice and you seem to just toss it. There are many different opinions on this site, but we're all here for the chinnies. You have mentioned before that you weren't going to breed and you continue to bring in many animals, even of other species. There's nothing wrong with having pets, but watch what you're doing before you do go overboard. We are concerned with responsible breeding practices and the best way to prepare yourself before breeding is to listen to those who have experience and to have your animals evaluated. Size doesn't tell us very much, other than the fact that an animal may be too small to breed. We don't know the lines of your animals or your practices of animal husbandry, which could affect the size in your animals. The main goal you should be shooting for is the betterment of the animal. Just hold on to everyone and take them to a show to be evaluated. Do your research in between that time, but don't focus on their size. You should slow down and not purchase any more chins until you see what you should be purchasing as far as breeding goes. If these are your pets - fine, no problem, but if you do plan to breed, you need to look at this from a completely different perspective. I've been in your shoes, I started off on the wrong foot, but with the help of other's, I set myself on the right track.

 

[chinchillalover0927]

The problem is - people are giving you advice and you seem to just toss it. There are many different opinions on this site, but we're all here for the chinnies. You have mentioned before that you weren't going to breed and you continue to bring in many animals, even of other species. There's nothing wrong with having pets, but watch what you're doing before you do go overboard. We are concerned with responsible breeding practices and the best way to prepare yourself before breeding is to listen to those who have experience and to have your animals evaluated. Size doesn't tell us very much, other than the fact that an animal may be too small to breed. We don't know the lines of your animals or your practices of animal husbandry, which could affect the size in your animals. The main goal you should be shooting for is the betterment of the animal. Just hold on to everyone and take them to a show to be evaluated. Do your research in between that time, but don't focus on their size. You should slow down and not purchase any more chins until you see what you should be purchasing as far as breeding goes. If these are your pets - fine, no problem, but if you do plan to breed, you need to look at this from a completely different perspective. I've been in your shoes, I started off on the wrong foot, but with the help of other's, I set myself on the right track.

im sorry if i mislead you twf but i have come to you a few times for advice in my gliders, i opened this thread because i was looking for information, i do intend to breed in the future, but not at the moment, i posted weights because i wanted people opinions on my animals sizes, i dont want to ever breed the ones i have if they are to small for breeding,i understand they can have exceptional traits besides size but to me size is still a safety issue in breeding for my females and i wouldnt like to risk it so thats why i posted for advice, i am taking everyones advice in on this thread that was given because i am honestly trying to learn and do things rite, but when someone jumps in not commenting anything about questions i have asked and then jump to stirring the pot over something that isnt true then im going to get annoyed..i am NOT purchasing anymore chins currently or anytime soon and i am NOT breeding now, i am waiting until i am prepared like i promised everyone id do, but other people dont understand that they jump to conclusions that because i asked of my chins weights now that im breeding now, no thats not the case, i was just wondering if they were good breeding weights or not....half of my chins are wayyyy to young to even breed rite now and i wouldnt breed them now even if they were old enought because im not ready for it...i want to wait until i get properly informed of all my info and get great breeding quality animals, i do have nice chins but not all of them are and i have realized this over time..id like to attend shows etc before i breed...so i am taking in advice, its just i wont take in peoples ignorance thats all...they had no need to post what was said because that was NOT the topic and now my thread is completely off topic because of that post..and i do know that some of my chins have shoots lines and other large breeders lines in them, id have to look at there pedigrees but they do have good lineage

 

[threewingedfury]

i do know that some of my chins have shoots lines and other large breeders lines in them, id have to look at there pedigrees but they do have good lineage

Just realize that what I meant by lineage is the actual animals in the background, not the breeders. For instance, say you have a extra dark ebony female that's rather small - look back 3-4 generations and there's nothing but dark or xd ebs - then you have an answer as to why that animal may be small, because the more you put continuous mutes into the lines, the smaller the animal tends to be.

Just because an animal may have lineage from a top rancher doesn't mean that it's a breeding quality animal. There are many animals that I wouldn't touch with top lines. Not every show animal is going to produce a top quality or breeding quality animal, this is why it's important to have every individual animal evaluated. Each animal in my herd has either been judged in a show or is evaluated by a judge at their ranch. That way I know how to pair and to improve the animals. If the animal has too many flaws, it's culled.

 

[mishellyshel]

If the animal has too many flaws, it's culled

Tiffany---what does that mean? Taken out of breeding and made pet? sorry just wondering.

 

[chinchillalover0927]

Just realize that what I meant by lineage is the actual animals in the background, not the breeders. For instance, say you have a extra dark ebony female that's rather small - look back 3-4 generations and there's nothing but dark or xd ebs - then you have an answer as to why that animal may be small, because the more you put continuous mutes into the lines, the smaller the animal tends to be.

Just because an animal may have lineage from a top rancher doesn't mean that it's a breeding quality animal. There are many animals that I wouldn't touch with top lines. Not every show animal is going to produce a top quality or breeding quality animal, this is why it's important to have every individual animal evaluated. Each animal in my herd has either been judged in a show or is evaluated by a judge at their ranch. That way I know how to pair and to improve the animals. If the animal has too many flaws, it's culled.

i understand what you mean, the other day i looked over there pedigrees and they do have standards thrown in every few generations , every other atleast..but i do understand what your trying to tell me, most of my chins came from ronda, but do have good lineage, how ronda is with her breeding i dont know i personally didnt meet her, they were shipped down from her..even if my babies arent good breeding quality i wil keep them as my pets and later when im ready to breed i will find breeding quality males and females to purchase...as of rite now im not interested in buying anymore chins.. im happy with what i have, as for the 2 female sugar gliders i returned them back to the rescue, they wanted nothing to do with me and they were starting to turn very aggressive,even at night they wouldnt come out of hiding, i just felt like i wasnt experienced enough to be able to try and rebond with an animal that was that aggressive, all i have now is my 3 males,daddy and 2 babies...which are not hard to manage at all...so yes i admit i got over my head with the rescues but i fixed that problem by doing the rite thing and returning them.

 

[threewingedfury]

Tiffany---what does that mean? Taken out of breeding and made pet? sorry just wondering.

Yes.

as for the 2 female sugar gliders i returned them back to the rescue, they wanted nothing to do with me and they were starting to turn very aggressive,even at night they wouldnt come out of hiding, i just felt like i wasnt experienced enough to be able to try and rebond with an animal that was that aggressive, all i have now is my 3 males,daddy and 2 babies...which are not hard to manage at all...so yes i admit i got over my head with the rescues but i fixed that problem by doing the rite thing and returning them.

I'm glad that you realized that you couldn't handle the two girls, because you would have become disatisfied with them and they wouldn't have received the proper care. This is the best way to see that you're gonna get over your head if you don't step back. People are going to view you as an animal hoarder if you don't watch what you're doing, just because you don't have much experience with these animals and you continue getting them. We're here to help you. We're not fussing at you, just trying to help.

 

[Ash]

I'm curious how far back your pedigrees go?