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JennyBug

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My husband and I have been trying to introduce our chinnie girls over the past few weeks. They share a big ferretnation cage with a locking ladder that separates them from one another, but that they can still get used to smells. We have been giving them mutual playtime in the bathroom with both of us in there to supervise, but things haven't been going as well as hoped...

1. our first chin, Carmen, hops onto either my husband's or my lap and makes an annoyed sound while chattering her teeth at Minnie.
2. if they happen to be on the floor at the same time, Carmen will briefly sniff Minnie, then runs like she's on fire to the furthest corner of the bathroom.
3. sometimes if Carmen runs, Minnie chases, which leads to ricocheting and fur slippage. We don't think it's aggression because Minnie never makes any aggressive sounds, but we don't want either to get hurt. Minnie came to us from a home where she got routinely beaten up by another chin who had kits and lived in the same cage with her (don't get me started)

Does anyone have any suggestions? We have heard things about a dab of Vick's Vaporub on each nose and trimming whiskers back, but these are the first babies we've adopted and we don't want them getting hurt.
PLEASE HELP! :(
 
I tried to intro two of my females because I felt they were lonely. During their first play time, I followed directions of leaving out some fresh dust bath for them to bathe in, etc. Some chins just won't get along. My more dominant female chased my poor girl around, ****** out a few clumps of fur and I decided that was it. I really wanted them to get along, but it just was not happening and sometimes that's the only thing you can do.
Trimming the whiskers does work very well. The same dominant female refused to get along with a new cage mate that I was wanting her to be with, so I trimmed her whiskers down very low, but I occasionally do have to trim them again. It worked wonders. You may also want to try the smoosh method, I was told "If there's not enough room to move, there's not enough room to fight."
Good luck, I know it can be frustrating, but just hang in there.
 
The chasing is an attempt to establish dominance. As much as it seems heartless to do so, as long as the chasing isn't aggressive (biting, constant full out chasing), let it go. Once they establish that dominance, they'll be fine if they're meant to be together. Just keep an eye on them, let them establish their boss, and good luck.

You can also try swapping them between each otherss' cages, to help further their getting to know the scent of one another, and try putting more toys and chews out during playtime to give them other things to focus on. Smoosh method should be a last resort, as it doesn't give them a chance to establish dominance.
 
Introing can be a long process, so don't worry about it being a couple weeks now.
Like Ash said, so long as the chasing isn't biting and aggressive, I would allow for it to continue for right now. If it doesn't get any better, I would be inclined to say that they might not ever want to get together. But this is coming from someone who only has had success with two chins getting along out of my 4. They got along right away, no fights. The others have always fought.

I also agree that you may consider swapping them inbetween each other's cage. And if they aren't doing so, have them share the same dust bath.

You can also trim the whiskers on the dominant one to kind of inhibit the dominance.

I would not do a smoosh method yet, I would just give it some more time and see how it goes.
 
When I introduce chins I first swap cages. I do this for a couple of weeks so they get use to being in each others territory. Then I try supervised playtime during the day when they are more sleepy. If that goes well then I try doing an evening playtime. Once playtimes are going well I will try putting them into the same cage for an hour or so during the day. Take things slow and don't try to rush it. Good luck
 
I've been trying to get my 3 girls together now for months. We're finally at a bigger playtime area for them so they don't pee and kack at each other constantly. My goal is to have everyone together by the summer! Good luck and keep trying.
 
I would have to say in my opinion, which I have had this happen with females, and males, who have had cagemates their whole life, and due to a death or other circumstance, needed a new cagemates, this has happened. To be honest with you, I tried the bathroom thing, holding them at the same time, the cages next to each other ( all they did was pee on each other) and in my OWN experience, this is what has always worked, and it has never failed me:

You know those 1,2,3, plus metal carriers us chin people seem to have in abundance? If not, you can usually buy them for 10 a hole from a breeder who may have extra, it has always started with those. The holes are smaller, and although they always fit one chin comfortably, when you put two in there, they do NOT have much room to go at each other, and they are both very aware of that. There are two different ways to doing this, and yes, it is the "smoosh" method said by Diva_Chins. Although the poster below said it does not establish dominance, well no, not immediatly, they will do that when they later get in the cage, at least in my experience. The reason I keep saying in my experience, is because I know that not one answer is right, and I dont want you thinking one way over the other is better or the only way. This is just what always works for me.

On mild cases , I have put the two I want to get along in the same hole. I leave them for at least 4 hours. I have an outside water bottle I can hook to it, and a bowl that I can bolt on with some pellets, not because they are going to die in 4 hours without it, but because, as I have seen in my experience, some of them, after being in there for an hour or so, have eaten with the others, and that is a sure sign things are going good. I always cover the bottom with fresh kiln dried pine,, which is the bedding I use, and put a stick or two in there, which they usually share too at the end. Almost all of the time, by the time is up, they are laying on top of each other, and no kaking is heard, and they are being polite when they need to move, Occasionaly when I take them out to put them into a new, clean cage neither has been dominant in before, they will be wet on the back or other area, meaning they have initially peed on each other. I offer them baths, and most of the time they try to jump in together. Mind, this is with females, or male, female pairs.

For the ones that seem to be ok, and then all of a sudden one turns to face the other, and I hear kaking, although I have never had fur pulling in the smoosh method, I pick up the carrier after starting the truck if it is winter, put a blanket over it for the carry to the car, so no deafts effect them, and then I take the blanket off, put on the music, and we go for a nice long ride. I dont know why, but I have heard multiple times that chinchillas often bond best during times of stress or uncertainity, and this has never failed, with males, females, or male female pairs. In the case of male female pairs that I want to breed and introduce because they did not initially get along in the males cage, and then a neutral one, the male almost ALWAYS develops dominance, although dont get me wrong, it is not like thinking people male female dominance.

For my small herd ( about 15) the male usually always knows when to back off, without having to have his fur pulled out or being sprayed. I notice he only tried to mate usually when she is receptive, and he treates the females he is in with well, he cuddles up with them, grooms them , etc, no problems.

For the males that accept male partners, I think there is one big rule : They should really be young, less than a year, and as young as you can get them to put them together. I have an example, I have two males, they have been together since weaning, too early at my opinion, but the breeder weaned them at 6 weeks and put thm together. They are completely different colors, and grew up together. They can be seperated for months mating in different cages, and always returned welcoming each other. However, when I try to take one of them seperate, and have him be a cagemate to another male, smoosh method or not, the one that has been bonded since babyhood, reacts very violently.

I currently have a male, who had a sapphire male cagemate. The sapphire, believe it or not, was a rescue. So was his outstanding cagemate. Although both came with extensive pedigrees, they ended up with a person who couldnt take proper care. I gave the sapphire to a friend who is concentrating on sapphires, because I believe in order to help that mutation AT ALL, one needs to concentrate very specifically on that only color. Which I am not able, or wantng to do.

So, I need a male cagemate for his buddy who I kept, who fts with my other chins. He is considered a real "chocolate" or dark tan, with ebony in his lines, beige, pink white, etc. He is a huge, sweet boy, and he has no discrimination against any male chinchillas, despite him being five. I am thinking I need to put a young male in with him.

Anyways, I hope this gives you some insight into how some of us introduce. It is easier the younger they are, and it is easier if you put them in a situation that may seem stressful, like a car ride , but NOTHING that will endanger them. Good Luck.
 
The best things are time and patience. Sometimes a lot of time! I am going through my own intros right now. I thought all was well but I've had to start over. I have my cages beside each other. I had them separated in a Ferret Nation but I felt they couldn't see each other much.

I'm going to give it another try and if it doesn't work out then they can be separate. I've been working on intros for a couple of months now so I won't give up just yet.
 
I've pretty much given up with my boys. They will spend the first 5 minutes nicely, then the chasing begins. That's o.k., I figure they need the exercise. But then I start hearing squeaks and seeing fur flying. I've tried 3x and decided I'm destined to have 4 different playtimes.

Hope your girls learn eventually. I hear it's easier to get girls to bond, most of the time.
 
You kind of have to have a thick hide when doing intros. It's completely normal for chins to chase and slip some fur. It may look like one is attacking the other but they actually hump for dominance, and it's something you have to let them sort out. Many breeders say "no blood, no foul." I personally separate only if I notice a chin seeming to get excessively stressed, excessive chasing with aggression, or excessive fur slippage. Otherwise in my experience after the initial chasing/dominance sorting has played out, I've noticed they start to calm down.
 
When introducing my two boys, Sammy would slip a lot of hair...sometimes Stolie wasn't even touching him! As long as you know when to stop pushing, it is alright to allow the humping and chasing. Chasing is alright when is doesn't seem agressive, but more...ummm...assertive. One male has to prove dominance; men in real life flex, chins chase and hump:winkers:
 
My original chin, Carmen, just seems to be VERY protective of my husband and me. She will jump on one of our laps when Minnie approaches us and make a "kack" sound while chattering her teeth. Minnie normally doesn't make a sound. Everything looks like it's going well: they sniff each other nose to nose, but after a few seconds Carmen bolts into the bathtub and Minnie gives chase. I think Minnie is trying to play and Carmen is just being difficult. I don't think she wants to share my husband and me...
 
Tunes has a good method for intros if everything else seems hopeless. I had two girls that I thought would never be together, but I used her process and they are happily together. :D Maybe she will be kind enough to chime in and share her technique.
 
Hi Jenny - I got your email. Sorry I didn't check this thread sooner.

The best method that I have found is to use a show cage (or fairly small cage )for intros. I put one chin in the show cage with some hay to munch and hang a water bottle if I can, then put that cage inside of the larger cage. I leave them in there for several hours, and even overnight (again, with access to food and water), then in the morning I switch them around. The loose chin goes in the cage, the caged chin goes free. I leave them that way for an equal amount of time. I generally try and put the chin that appears most aggressive into the show cage during the night so that the other chin is up and moving around a lot. You will not hurt the chin by leaving it in the show cage overnight. When chinchillas travel to a show they are in a smaller cage than that to transport most times, then sit in that show cage overnight and all day the next day, and sometimes into the third day, depending on the show. Provide food and water, and they will be fine.


One trip to the cage for each may work, or it may take a while. One trio I put together took me over a week of constant rotation. Two in show cages, one out, two out of the show cages, one in. I was patient and just kept it up. I would try them together, and if they didn't hit it off, back in they went.

A couple other things, trim both their whiskers back by at least an inch (I did not read this entire thread, so if this was mentioned, my apologies). This helps cut on the dominance issues. Make sure the cage you are going to place them in is cleaned the absolute best you can clean it. If you can, use hot bleach water on it and then throw it in the sun to dry. Kill all odors from the chin that currently resides in it. Clean hammocks, wood houses, the works. When you put them in the cage, put a dab of kitchen vanilla above their noses and around the base of their tails. Put a couple dust baths in the cage, two hidey houses (if you have room), and lots of "stuff" to play with. Hay, chew toys, etc. Then throw them in there.

If they start to fight, back to square one, hence the reason for patience. It could take you a day or a week. Whoever does the chasing or the fighting, they go into the show cage first, always.

And, that's that!
 
Thank you so much! We will try that this weekend. Right now they are both in a FN 142 with the cage divided so they can see and smell one another but can't hurt one another. I cleaned the cage today, and my husband rotated their living arrangements earlier this week, but I will bleach the cage really well and try your method! Thanks again! :)
 
An update on intros:
We got our show cage in the mail today, so we began this evening. I think we made a mistake on who the aggressor was. We had assumed it was Minnie, since she was the one chasing, but really it was Carmie! She is such a bad baiter! She was taunting Minnie while she was in the showcage, running all over the place "kack"ing at her and peeing on her from every angle. She even started biting at Minnie's tail! We switched them, and Carmen was much calmer in the cage. She still made some noise, but she really got better after the first few minutes. She's a smartie though, without making a sound, she managed to get out of the show cage! Thankfully she opened the door so that she and Minnie were separated...
 
OK, we've had each chin in the cage for a little bit (one overnight and one right now). They seem to be alternating who the aggressor is. They have quieted down, we trimmed their whiskers, and removed almost everything from the cage except for food and water. Minnie chomps down on the bars of the show cage really hard and shakes the cage violently in an effort to escape. She can actually move the cage with her rattling! Is this normal for this type of introduction?
 
I've had chins behave like this who settle down later, and some who don't. I gave them a good long time to try to acclimate to each other, but sometimes you just have to give up because their personalities are just not going to allow a cage mate.

Try a couple more days, and see how it goes. It just may be after that point that you have to throw up your hands for now and let them remain singletons. Nothing saying you can't try again later, but most likely they just aren't going to get along.
 
I agree with everyone's advice. I find that putting the chins in a carrier and riding them around in the car for a while (to confuse them) and then putting them in a clean cage with a dust bath (supervised) seems to work. I also have put vick's or vanilla on their noses too. I have only done this with m/f intros but I think ALS and Peggy have covered it pretty well.
 
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