What do you do when a breeder changes her mind?

[ETC]

Do any of you have contracts made up when you buy or sell a chinchilla?
I sold my beautiful chocolate male to someone, on the condition that I get his firstborn tan son. This is a FRIEND, or so I thought... Well, four weeks ago he was born. I have been over to hold him, fall in love with him, and count down the days until I had him here with me.
Well last night the breeder told me that she changed her mind and is keeping him. EVEN THOUGH she has promised that he was mine, and it was part of the deal of selling my male to her. I will either get another baby in the future, or be refunded the money equivalent to the value of a baby.

My heart is broken...and I can't believe I am in tears over this...and now I want to make up some sort of contract for when/if I buy baby chins so that they are FOR SURE coming to me.

Any suggestions? my heart is broken.

 

[Riven]

That's the breeder right. If someone came to me wanting me a sign a contract when I sell them a chin, I'd rip it up and tell them to find another breeder. A person's signature is only as good as their words coming out of their mouth.

At least they didn't sell it to someone else, I've had people do that to me. I've also had people take a chin I gave them as a gift, and sell it the same day... all you can do is learn.

 

[ETC]

I hear ya....and this person's word is obviously not good....it is sad when it is a friend.
AND this person has too many chins and wants to keep them all.....it is breaking my heart.
How about contracts when you SELL a chin? do you have one?

 

[proudmom25]

There probably isn't much that you can do at this point. But if what you say is true than I would be upset too...considering everything that you have done for her recently. I guess things don't change. Sigh.

Sorry to hear you are going through this.

 

[ETC]

There probably isn't much that you can do at this point. But if what you say is true than I would be upset too...considering everything that you have done for her recently.

Sorry to hear you are going through this.

Thanks Jennifer. My heart is absolutely broken. I can't go through much more of this. I want my chocolate male back, and thought I was getting his son too.....and more babies are being born every day......

The problem I have is, I really like this person, she is a very good person, she really is. She just "falls in love" with all of the chins and the babies and wants to keep them all. I am at a loss.
Triplets were born yesterday. After I went and got four of her chins and brought them here, to help her out......then triplets were born. UGGHHH

I am having a very difficult time.....I FELL in love with this baby chin and felt like he was a part of my family and he was torn from me.

Any suggestions? I really like this person, but don't agree with what she is doing.

 

[proudmom25]

Well...I am sure LOTS of people have fallen in love with chins...but you don't see them trying to buy/keep them all...especially when they have already stated they are in way over their head. Selling old chins and keeping new ones isn't going to change the situation. It is IRRESPONSIBLE.

She is a nice person...I agree. But nice people can do irresponsible things. Heck...even I have been irresponsible in my days. LOL! But she has stated flat out that she will continue to breed. We can't change that.

My suggestion would be to NOT sell her anymore of your chins. It will just make the problem worse. Other than that, all I can offer is my sympathy in this situation.

Thanks Jennifer. My heart is absolutely broken. I can't go through much more of this. I want my chocolate male back, and thought I was getting his son too.....and more babies are being born every day......

The problem I have is, I really like this person, she is a very good person, she really is. She just "falls in love" with all of the chins and the babies and wants to keep them all. I am at a loss.
Triplets were born yesterday. After I went and got four of her chins and brought them here, to help her out......then triplets were born. UGGHHH

I am having a very difficult time.....I FELL in love with this baby chin and felt like he was a part of my family and he was torn from me.

Any suggestions? I really like this person, but don't agree with what she is doing.

 

[ETC]

My suggestion would be to NOT sell her anymore of your chins. It will just make the problem worse. Other than that, all I can offer is my sympathy in this situation.

That goes without saying!!!! I just want to get my chocolate male back but he is her favourite so I can't see that happening.......
I will continue to be her mentor though, for the chins sake!

 

[VolunteerChin22]

After I went and got four of her chins and brought them here, to help her out......then triplets were born. .

Um...not sure if I am following this - she gave you four other chins but is refusing to give you this particular tan chin? Why not offer to trade one of these four back or another one you have for him? or pay for him?

I agree that it sucks and nothing you can do, but I would never agree to this kind of arrangement in the first place with any buyer...What if this person had to move 12 hours away from you would they still have to meet or ship it? IMO I would have kept the chocolate until I got the baby I wanted and then put it up for sale. Not trying to be insensitive, but it seemed a little out of your control the moment you sold the chocolate...IMO any babies born after a chin leaves my barn are the babies of the new owner.

 

[Riven]

So was getting this baby part of the agreement of her getting the chocolate male? If so then that is an agreement and she is required to give it to you. In the US you could take her to court for breach of contract for that.

If this person has sick and unhealthy chins she can't care for, if they chins are in bad conditions, etc. Then for the benefit of the chins, just turn her in...

 

[RDZCRanch]

You can't mentor someone that doesn't listen to advice. You also can't mentor a backyard breeder set in their ways. They don't have the chinchillas' best interests at heart. It's all about making babies for them to enjoy and sell.

I agree with Riven...turn her in if you really care for the animals. We've all seen the level of neglect she's shown to her chinchillas and the only thing that will get her to STOP making more chins is a court order.

 

[ETC]

Um...not sure if I am following this - she gave you four other chins but is refusing to give you this particular tan chin? Why not offer to trade one of these four back or another one you have for him? or pay for him?

I agree that it sucks and nothing you can do, but I would never agree to this kind of arrangement in the first place with any buyer...What if this person had to move 12 hours away from you would they still have to meet or ship it? IMO I would have kept the chocolate until I got the baby I wanted and then put it up for sale. Not trying to be insensitive, but it seemed a little out of your control the moment you sold the chocolate...IMO any babies born after a chin leaves my barn are the babies of the new owner.

Hi there, most members on this forum knew what I was talking about so I didn't explain clearly sorry.
This person has many chins to rehome. I took four of the ones she needed to rehome including rescues that she took in, this was to help her since she had too many chins.
The baby tan chin was one that was supposed to be mine, since she got my chocolate male. Yes I agree I should have bred him myself, and then sold him, but her female and my male were the parents of the baby that I wanted. I trusted her and she backed out.

 

[momenteller]

... I can't go through much more of this...The problem I have is, I really like this person, she is a very good person, she really is... I really like this person, but don't agree with what she is doing.

No, I'm not sure she really is a good person. It seems she's taken advantage of you and been dishonest quite a few times. I appreciate that you want to see the best in her, but people can only treat you badly if you let them, right? With everything you've done for this person, you deserve your chocolate male back, the baby and more! Be persistent, and if she doesn't listen, tell her further actions will be taken.

 

[mishellyshel]

No, I'm not sure she really is a good person. It seems she's taken advantage of you and been dishonest quite a few times. I appreciate that you want to see the best in her, but people can only treat you badly if you let them, right? With everything you've done for this person, you deserve your chocolate male back, the baby and more! Be persistent, and if she doesn't listen, tell her further actions will be taken.

totally agree!

in the states a verbal contract can stand in court and unless someone is a really, really good liar, when they get in front of the judge, the truth always comes out.

oh and PS, she is kinda a crappy friend. just sayin'

 

[CJR]

If I were you, I would definitely pursue this person and either get the chocolate male, his tan baby, or both back. From what I've read on this thread, this person has been abusing you for awhile and they aren't very nice at all.

 

[tunes]

You know what? I already closed down one bashing thread. I'm not going to allow another. There are very few people who don't know who this thread is about. Public opinion isn't going to change the outcome of this situation. These things always go south, despite not mentioning names, and the mod staff isn't going to spend the day babysitting this thing.