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Willow

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After rescuing two rabbits from a local humane society, both of whom were older in age and didn't live nearly as long as we hoped (1 and 2 years respectively) we tried to get our daughter a bunny from a breeder this past spring hoping she'd have more time with a critter she pours her absolute heart and soul into loving. When that guy passed on unexpectedly at the age of just 4 months old we consulted with our vet who thankfully confirmed bunny passed on due to a congenital abnormality. We reviewed EVERYTHING we did, there was nothing we were doing wrong or could have done differently, it was just one heck of a string of bad luck.

Her heart was beyond broken and although she loves rabbits dearly we suggested she move on to another variety of pet.

My daughter diligently researched several different options and chinchillas peaked her interest. We were more than a bit concerned about set up costs and cost to acquire one, and the fact that we live rurally was kind of a hindrance too. Exotic vets are hard to come by within a nearly two hour radius of where we live. She started talking birds then and that prospect made me even more nervous than getting another rabbit. Although some smaller varieties can be a bit hardier from what I've read those can be just as hit and miss, the main concern was with her bedroom being downstairs where it's a bit cooler year round.

We felt stuck as to how to proceed, but in no rush either.

Fast forward to today, I was browsing Craigslist and ran across an ad of someone very local needing to rehome their chinchilla. He was only a year old, healthy, and very well socialized to kids and even their family dog. I contacted them and they agreed to let him go to our family for just $80. Included cage, food, shavings, houses, wheels, tunnels, dust bath supplies, harness etc etc etc. From the sounds of it they were most concerned he'd go to a good home and I appreciated that.

I did a quick bit of research on the links she had saved and I have a couple of questions:

1. I read on the master FAQ list that distilled or purified water is needed. Is this true? If so I'm curious as to why? Living rurally we have well water (tested annually) although we also have I guess a form of purified water that comes out of the fridge door. Is that ok? Or does it have to be store bought type stuff? I don't mind either way, I just want to be sure what the deal with that is. I certainly don't want to give him the wrong kind and have it harm him in any way.

2. The cage he came with is very tall. Almost as tall as I am. There are plastic trays that fit in as ledges as well as some tunnels and it doesn't seem as if he's ever chewed on them. Regardless, Master FAQ list said anything plastic is typically a no-no. Is this an across the board thing or can it be specific just to individuals who chew plastic? Are they ok to leave or should I try to figure something else out just to be on the safe side? He also has a little hidey house and a dust bath container which are plastic. Neither chewed on but if anyone else has other recommendations as to what to replace them with? He definitely likes the house, he's been in there since I got him home with the exception of a little exploring. The one thing that has been chewed on a bit is a fabric hammock deal, is that ok to leave in with him?


Much thanks if you managed to read through all of that and if you are able to be of any help!

Obviously we are going to be inclined to be overly cautious. We're hoping he and my daughter have many many MANY happy healthy years together and are willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that happens for both of them.
 
I would not use well water for chins. The reason they need reverse osmosis or purified is to make sure that things like Giardia are not in there. Giardia is a pain in the butt to treat and it's a forever illness. It can come back at any time, just from being stressed.

If he doesn't chew on the plastic, then he's fine with it. I have chins that have plastic igloos in their cages and they never bother with it. Well, one dufus seems to think it's a ride and he tips it on its side and then rolls around on top of it. Other than him though, they just use it to sleep or perch on. Some people feel that chins won't ingest the plastic even if they chew it, and they never had a problem with it. My answer to your question would be see if the chin has chewed up the plastic, and if not, be cautious. I personally prefer they have wood shelves and houses just because it gives them extra chewing spots. If they want to chew, give them something you know is safe, which wood houses are. Fleece is safe for chins hammocks, but if it's a store bought hammock and he's chewing it, I would probably get rid of it and make or buy him a fleece one. There are several people here on forum who make different types of hammocks. You can check the classifieds.

Hopefully this guy will live a long and healthy life with you. Like any other pet, things happen, but many chins make it into their teens and some into their 20s.
 
Thank you so much!

I'm thinking the water run through the purifier on the fridge door should be ok then?


I think I will leave the plastics he's used to for now, just until he settles in a bit and then slowly start to phase them out. I'm sure the transition is going to be stressful enough, if I can leave his enclosure and the things in it the same as it was just until he gets a bit more comfortable hopefully that should help.

He does have a giant long wood chew toy thing, I looks kind of like a ladder? Perhaps that's what has kept him occupied thus far lol

The hammock he's got now is store bought and I think nylon. He's got the hem on one whole side pretty well gnawed. I won't put that in with him anymore, thanks for the heads up about the classifieds, I will peek around there to see if I can find a more appropriate replacement!
 
Hi there, welcome to the forum and so glad you came on board looked through the FAQ's and asked some great questions :)). As tunes mentioned reverse osmosis or purified water is best. Purchasing a few jugs/gallons at a time at the store can last you a long time for 1 chin. One thing that did stick out in the list that the previous owners had was a "harness", chins should never wear harnesses, some of heir bones are like toothpicks and a harness can cause some serious damage. Also, yes, get rid of the fabric hammock that's being chewed, one of the reasons fleece is recommonded is because it does not have those loose strings/fibers like other fabrics do when they unravel but if he does start chewing on the fleece then I would not use that either.
 
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Willow-
That's good you got that store bought hammock out. Not only that I heard bad stories about those hammock. If you ask AZchins I think she has one chin that had to get his leg aputated because his leg got caught on that. The owner was warned but choose to keep it and the chin end up getting hurt.

Anyways, hope you find a real cute hammock for you new chin :)
 
Willow, I know this goes against orthodoxy, but I don't recommend fleece because a chinchilla supplies owner from New York said she knows several people whose chinchillas died from eating fleece. So she never lets her chinchillas have fleece. I spoke to her via many emails and she's really nice and gave me freebies with my order, so she seemed trustworthy.

Regarding the plastic, based on what I've read some chinchillas chew it and some don't. My chinchilla arrived with a lot of plastic stuff and every plastic piece had been chewed even though she was only living at the other home about half a year. She chewed a hole about 3 inches diameter in her exercise wheel and her plastic trays had chew areas on the corners about 6 inches diameter. Yet she appears healthy and happy.

So chewing plastics, which non-animal fleece is usually made of, doesn't kill all chinchillas. To be on the safe side I replaced the plastic stuff with rock and metal. As for the water I read that boiling tap water for at least a minute kills all the harmful life organisms. Boiling water is also less expensive than buying water.

DoGooder
 
I've been using fleece for over 4 years now. All of my chin cages are decked out in head to toe fleece (and wood and stone). I also use fleece liners and do not use wood shavings for bedding, just my choice. Not 1 of my chins chew the fleece and I have 11 chinchillas. I know a lot of people too who use fleece without any issues :)). Heck, there are a lot of great people here who make awesome fleece accessories for chin cages.

Boiling water is not recommended! While it may take out the bad stuff it also takes out the good stuff AND it tastes nasty.
 
Sandi, what kind of good stuff does boiling water remove? As for the fleece, my chinchilla's cage had fleece-covered ramps and she chewed the fleece on those ramps. There was a hole in one of the fleece liners about 5 inches diameter. Yet she's still healthy as far as I can see. Most chinchilla cages I see have some fleece and I've noticed many people take joy in crafting colorful, artistic fleece additions, so I understand there's an emotional aspect to someone saying plastic-type fleece is toxic to ingest.

I just want Willow to know there are different opinions about fleece. I've been artistic all my life and I would greatly enjoy adding colorful soft fleece to my chinchilla's cage, but I'm too scared it might hurt her. Yesterday she enjoyed snuggling against a soft cotton towel during her photo session, so I'm researching non-plastic alternatives to fleece so I can add softness to her cage.

DoGooder
 

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Boiling water concentrates the hard metals in the water, which is not a good thing. Boiling water also does not completely get rid of all the microbial cysts that may be present.

While some chinchillas may "test" chew the fleece upon seeing it for the first time, it is a very hard material to chew through and most give up on it once they figure out it is not tasty. Hundreds of members on this forum use fleece with no problems, however there are the few odd chins that should not have it. If your chin chews fleece, I wouldn't put any sort of fabric in the cage- only wood and metal objects.

As for the plastic, I have had a chin chew a small bit of the plastic FN pans and he ended up getting impacted from it. I had a pillow case style fleece liner over it that I didn't velcro all the way and he got to the plastic. He never bothered the plastic before, however. A sharp splinter from the chewed plastic lodged in his intestine and it took months of expensive treatment to get him back to himself. I almost lost him.
 
Boiling water is also less expensive than buying water.

Aside from the fact that boiling water is not recommended, at Wal-Mart, a gallon of reverse osmosis refillable water is .37 cents. That is hardly expensive, especially for one chin. Of all the things to worry about money wise when owning a chin, water is not one of the big ones. If you've ever used tap water compared to reverse osmosis or water filtered through an approved filtration system, you should see a big difference in your chin's coat and overall health.
 
Towels have loops which can easy be torn apart, ingested by your chin and cause impaction. I would recommend not using a towel for snuggling or otherwise in your cage.
 
Excellent information, from everyone! Thank you!!!

I don't at all mind buying the water, especially for how little he's bound to drink. I'm not sure the water out of the tap has anything harmful in it however (I mean in regards to things like giardia, I know for fact it has higher metal levels in it though). I own/operate a home daycare and the annual water tests I do per my licensing requirements would obviously prohibit me allowing my daycare children to drink it if it was tainted so rest assured there.

I asked the previous owner and they said he'd been drinking regular tap water from the get go. I wish I could post pictures, because regardless he does appear incredibly healthy. I'm not sure what the difference between city treated tap water and well water would be....I know there are certain treatment chemicals in city treated water....not sure if that would be a concern on the flip side.

I have no clue though if there's any sort of water treatment that happens before our water gets up to the house, I do know we have at least a softener system downstairs? Something to ask the husband I suppose. Perhaps there is a reverse osmosis system already in place? Our home is only three years old and was very well built with all sorts of stuff I know nothing about lol


Only reason I pick at questions like this is I'm curious. Years ago I learned anything and everything about dog foods when my Pug came to us with loads of food and environmental allergies. As of late I'm pretty passionate and very aware of anything our critters consume. This guy will be no exception.


Thanks again for all the shared thoughts!
 
If there is a reverse osmosis system in place your husband should know as the filters would need to be replaced often. Even with 30+ chins we find it easier, safe and more cost effective to buy bottle water. Us humans in the family don't have a problem with the water but not willing to risk it with the chins.
 
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Stacie, thanks for the information about boiling water. Maybe if it's boiled in a ceramic-lined pot it won't absorb metals from the pot. Regarding fabric, I hope there's something I can use that's okay to ingest. Maybe hemp?

tunes, I would prefer filtered water because I don't like the taste of water bottled in plastic bottles. Maybe my body is extra-sensitive, but I always taste the plastic and it makes my head foggy. I would doubt reverse osmosis is sold in glass bottles on the Internet. I heard the PUR Stage 2 water filtration system is effective and cost-efficient.

Dragonflye, thanks for the information about towels.

DoGooder
 
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about boiling water. If your water has some chemicals it should not have and you don't know about it, boiling concentrates that chemical
 
Mt. Zion Chins, thanks for the warning about boiling water! I decided to get a water filtration system. I got a pitcher and filter for about $15. The system can benefit my family as well.

DoGooder
 
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