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I have been told privately that Texas state law requires male chins be neutered before adoption. Anybody know anything about this?
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lauralynne
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I'm not sure, Rick.
It'd have to be a very specific law regarding sales vs adoption, because there are breeders and pet stores there and I don't see them undertaking that cost to have that procedure done.
Does that make sense?
I've tried doing some online searching, but haven't found anything specific. Here, the animal laws are governed by the counties, not the state as a whole.
It'd have to be a very specific law regarding sales vs adoption, because there are breeders and pet stores there and I don't see them undertaking that cost to have that procedure done.
Does that make sense?
I've tried doing some online searching, but haven't found anything specific. Here, the animal laws are governed by the counties, not the state as a whole.
Riven
Bad Chin
I can't believe that would be true, did i come from a reliable source? Perhaps you could ask the person to back that up for you.
Chins are less of a problem then say dogs or cats, and I'm sure everyone would know if that was a required law. Technically chins are listed as agricultural under USDA so to say that would probably mean that cattle and horses would have to be castrated as well...
Chins are less of a problem then say dogs or cats, and I'm sure everyone would know if that was a required law. Technically chins are listed as agricultural under USDA so to say that would probably mean that cattle and horses would have to be castrated as well...
TheNobleFight
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It looks as if this only applys to dogs and cats.....
Texas Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bills Introduced
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[Monday, March 16, 2009]
Two mandatory spay/neuter bills have been filed in the Texas Legislature. House Bill 4277, sponsored by Representative Jose Menendez of San Antonio, and Senate Bill 1845, sponsored by Senator Leticia Van de Putte also of San Antonio, will require that all dogs over six months of age be sterilized. The American Kennel Club (AKC) and its Texas federation of owners, the Responsible Pet Owners Alliance (RPOA), believe that any attempt at restricting the rights and liberties of responsible breeders–especially via mandatory spay/neuter laws–must be defeated. If adopted, these bills will have a profound negative impact not only on responsible dog breeders in Texas, but also on all current and prospective dog owners. Therefore, it is vital that all responsible dog breeders and all concerned dog owners in Texas, as well as anyone worried about such radical policy, contact their elected state legislatives as well as the bills’ sponsors and respectfully let them know that these draconian measures are unreasonable, unenforceable, and unacceptable.
The American Kennel Club opposes the concepts of breeding permits, breeding bans, or the mandatory spay/neuter of purebred dogs. Instead, AKC supports reasonable and enforceable laws that protect the welfare and health of purebred dogs and do not restrict the rights of breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously. Additionally, we strongly support and actively promote a wide range of programs to educate the public about responsible breeding practices and the responsibilities of dog ownership.
As currently written, HB 4277 and SB 1845 would:
* Require every person who owns a dog or cat at least six months of age to have the animal spayed or neutered.
* Provide few exceptions, including one for owners of a dog or cat who purchase an intact animal permit at a cost of $300 per intact animal.
* Make each violation of this law a class C misdemeanor, liable for fines up to $500 per violation.
Texas Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bills Introduced
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[Monday, March 16, 2009]
Two mandatory spay/neuter bills have been filed in the Texas Legislature. House Bill 4277, sponsored by Representative Jose Menendez of San Antonio, and Senate Bill 1845, sponsored by Senator Leticia Van de Putte also of San Antonio, will require that all dogs over six months of age be sterilized. The American Kennel Club (AKC) and its Texas federation of owners, the Responsible Pet Owners Alliance (RPOA), believe that any attempt at restricting the rights and liberties of responsible breeders–especially via mandatory spay/neuter laws–must be defeated. If adopted, these bills will have a profound negative impact not only on responsible dog breeders in Texas, but also on all current and prospective dog owners. Therefore, it is vital that all responsible dog breeders and all concerned dog owners in Texas, as well as anyone worried about such radical policy, contact their elected state legislatives as well as the bills’ sponsors and respectfully let them know that these draconian measures are unreasonable, unenforceable, and unacceptable.
The American Kennel Club opposes the concepts of breeding permits, breeding bans, or the mandatory spay/neuter of purebred dogs. Instead, AKC supports reasonable and enforceable laws that protect the welfare and health of purebred dogs and do not restrict the rights of breeders and owners who take their responsibilities seriously. Additionally, we strongly support and actively promote a wide range of programs to educate the public about responsible breeding practices and the responsibilities of dog ownership.
As currently written, HB 4277 and SB 1845 would:
* Require every person who owns a dog or cat at least six months of age to have the animal spayed or neutered.
* Provide few exceptions, including one for owners of a dog or cat who purchase an intact animal permit at a cost of $300 per intact animal.
* Make each violation of this law a class C misdemeanor, liable for fines up to $500 per violation.
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>Texas Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bills Introduced
No, I think what I refered to pertains to adopting from a shelter.
No, I think what I refered to pertains to adopting from a shelter.
Would they have to neuter rabbits, guinea pigs, and other small mammals? I know that rodents are far more proficient breeders than chinchillas.
With the danger that comes with anesthetizing a small animal, what vet would you find that would willingly do it if it wasn't absolutely necessary?
With the danger that comes with anesthetizing a small animal, what vet would you find that would willingly do it if it wasn't absolutely necessary?
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Are there any Texas rescues that could answer that? I would think the Texas SPCA should be able to answer that, also.
Most people Do neuter and spay small mammals before adoption. Reputable Guinea Pig rescues do, as well as rat rescues, and rabbit rescues.
Seems like chins are one of the -few- animals who are normally NOT fixed before being adopted out. Because you cannot trust someone not to breed a rescue, and once it leaves your hands--you have no control over it is is somewhat of a necessary procedure to insure that a rescue does not get bred. If I could afford it, any pet quality chinchilla would leave my house spayed or neutered.
Closet thing I've found yet, regarding the city of Austin:"Texas law requires that pets adopted from a shelter MUST be spayed or neutered. Animals that cannot be spayed or neutered at the shelter due to age or compromised health will have to be spayed or neutered at the adopters' veterinarian at the adopters' expense by an agreed-upon date. "
Does not say if its' just cats or dogs though.
Seems like chins are one of the -few- animals who are normally NOT fixed before being adopted out. Because you cannot trust someone not to breed a rescue, and once it leaves your hands--you have no control over it is is somewhat of a necessary procedure to insure that a rescue does not get bred. If I could afford it, any pet quality chinchilla would leave my house spayed or neutered.
Closet thing I've found yet, regarding the city of Austin:"Texas law requires that pets adopted from a shelter MUST be spayed or neutered. Animals that cannot be spayed or neutered at the shelter due to age or compromised health will have to be spayed or neutered at the adopters' veterinarian at the adopters' expense by an agreed-upon date. "
Does not say if its' just cats or dogs though.
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http://www.animallawcoalition.com/public-shelters/article/448
"Texas law does already mandate spay/neuter for any animal adopted from a public shelter or humane organization. Tex. Health & Safety Code §§828.001, .2."
"Texas law does already mandate spay/neuter for any animal adopted from a public shelter or humane organization. Tex. Health & Safety Code §§828.001, .2."
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http://www.animallawcoalition.com/pu...rs/article/448
"Texas law does already mandate spay/neuter for any animal adopted from a public shelter or humane organization. Tex. Health & Safety Code §§828.001, .2."
Thank you. I think that's it.
"Texas law does already mandate spay/neuter for any animal adopted from a public shelter or humane organization. Tex. Health & Safety Code §§828.001, .2."
Thank you. I think that's it.
TheNobleFight
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That is not looking good... I looked for provisions to this health code and could not find any. In Arizona the department of health can grant a provision based on circumstance, but only for misdemeanor violations.
I would talk to your SPCA contact Rick and find out why they are withholding this information from you. There may be a case precedent on seized animals that supersedes that health code.
I would talk to your SPCA contact Rick and find out why they are withholding this information from you. There may be a case precedent on seized animals that supersedes that health code.
I did find one Guinea Pig rescue located in TX, and all their Gpigs are spayed and neutered before being adopted. Didn't look for rabbits/rats to see if they are all spayed/neutered as well. I would think contacting someone "higher up" might be a good idea.
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The Texas Rustler GP Rescue told me they neuter male chins (which they also handle but don't list on Petfinder) before adoption but gave me no indication it was law or that such a stipulation would apply to the Arlington chins. Also, I have been given no indication of this by the SPCA people I have been in touch with. I'm on hold now waiting to talk to them.
Riven
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According to that statement ( I didn't read any full laws, ordinances or otherwise ) it only applies to PUBLICLY run organizations, so a private rescue would not be subject.
TheNobleFight
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Keep your course Rick... They need you to get those animals adopted, I doubt they would pop this on you at the last minute.
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I got tired of waiting on hold. I'll email them and let you know when I get a reply.
I'm not too worried about it. Others - like the HWS - would have a harder time and would likely have known about it.
I'm not too worried about it. Others - like the HWS - would have a harder time and would likely have known about it.
Riven
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Okay... That article that Megan posted was a DALLAS ordinance, not a state wide from what I can gather, I haven't found a full copy of the ordinance, but ordinance's are on a city level usually, where as statutes are a state level if I remember correctly.
It also states that an animal ( I'm actually assuming this is strictly for dogs and cats ) can get around the ordinance if a vet says it's not a good idea, which means a vet could write a statement saying spaying chins is hard on them and life threatening, releasing them from this ordinance.
ETA: found a copy of the law here:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/txcodes/he082800.html#he004.828.004
It states at the top of the law "dog and cat sterilization"
It also states that an animal ( I'm actually assuming this is strictly for dogs and cats ) can get around the ordinance if a vet says it's not a good idea, which means a vet could write a statement saying spaying chins is hard on them and life threatening, releasing them from this ordinance.
ETA: found a copy of the law here:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/txcodes/he082800.html#he004.828.004
It states at the top of the law "dog and cat sterilization"
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Rickman
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I'm just wondering if this could be avoided altogether as most are being adapted out of state, where the Texas law is unvalid??
And the added stress to the animals certainly wouldn't help, either!!
And the added cost? Does the SPCA absorb that??
You'd think a judge could override that completely!
And the added stress to the animals certainly wouldn't help, either!!
And the added cost? Does the SPCA absorb that??
You'd think a judge could override that completely!
AZChins
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Rick - get a letter from your vet saying that neutering chins is more risky than it is helpful. That would probably hold up to any scrutiny by anyone in authority. Ordinances like this normally are just for cats and dogs. If neutering is risky to the animal or unnecessary, there is no reason for it.
Spaying a female chin for the sake of spaying isn't a good idea. Personally, I feel the same about male chins. It's just a difficult thing for them to go through from start to finish. The anesthesia can be dangerous, the procedure can cause problems and there can be problems afterward. You can't find any vet to do it, you need someone with experience. A dog or cat can be sterilized by any vet, chins can't. I wouldn't worry about this.
Spaying a female chin for the sake of spaying isn't a good idea. Personally, I feel the same about male chins. It's just a difficult thing for them to go through from start to finish. The anesthesia can be dangerous, the procedure can cause problems and there can be problems afterward. You can't find any vet to do it, you need someone with experience. A dog or cat can be sterilized by any vet, chins can't. I wouldn't worry about this.
