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Ash

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Ok, so I know that chins can't get fleas and that's not my question. My question is how to safely get rid of fleas in the attic where the kids are? They've come upstairs with Lady, Spirit, and Speed, who are all treated now with Frontline, but I'd like a safe way to kill them off without harming the furballs, if that's possible? I haven't noticed too many since treating the others, but just in case?


Thanks guys!
 
Even if you don't see fleas or kill all the adults they may have laid eggs in the carpet. I guess the best way to get rid of the fleas would be to remove the chins and their cages and flea bomb the areas...I would be leary of carpet powder if you used it and they got out...I don't know...still might be dangerous to bomb, but it would definately get rid of the fleas...I have only had to bomb once (not around the chins) and I did the garage where my dogs slept and that space was easy to ventilate after.
 
Do you think that maybe getting the carpets professionally steam cleaned would kill the flea eggs? I know that if you want to control them you need to vacuum the carpets very regularly to suck up fleas and eggs as well as remove dust mites.

I found a couple of links. I've used the salt idea before on my dog and I think it worked pretty well.

http://www.petlibrary.co.uk/1/what-is-the-best-thing-to-kill-fleas-in-your-carpet/

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...arpet+&usg=AFQjCNGesSwTKeRX7gwhud69Ge0G-3rHVw
 
I know you have to have a good vacuum with a disposable bag, otherwise they can and will get back out! If discarded indoors, without sealing the bag, they can get out in there, too!
Can be a problem without chemicals!
 
Save on your bags - just throw a cup of flea powder in them before you vacuum. Takes care of the fleas and you don't have to spend the money of a new bag every time you vacuum. I don't know about you guys, but I have a Kirby and that would get mighty expensive, mighty fast.

We've had really bad fleas here this year. We're just not getting cold enough in the winter to freeze them out to any degree, then every freaking stray in the world traipses through my yard as though they own it. I bought beneficial nematodes to spray in the yard, diatomaceous earth to work into the carpet, and caved and put Frontline on the dogs. I was trying to do it naturally, but the dogs themselves weren't clearing up with just the yard and carpet treatment and a flea bath.

The lemon water seems to work. Not sure if it's in conjunction with the nematodes (which also kill ants and all kinds of other icky ground bugs) or if it's just working on its own, but the dogs are a LOT happier now. I may have to try and salt and baking soda treatment for the carpet if we have another flare instead of ordering the other stuff on line. Save me a bit of hassle.

Oh yeah! Brewer's yeast on your cat's food (or dog, whatever). Makes the animal taste like crap to fleas. :)
 
I use Advantage on my animals. I HATE getting fleas in the house. It's a major hassle and the fleas also bite ME. It gets mighty expensive, though, for three dogs and four cats.
 
Flea life cycle:

Brand new flea jumps on pet. Starts biting. Starts laying eggs in a day or so.

Eggs fall off pet into carpet/dirt/couch/bed/etc. Eggs hatch into larvae.

Larvae eat adult flea poop, which also falls off pet.

Larvae turn into pupae and wait for ideal conditions to hatch out.

Vibrations, increased carbon dioxide, temperature, humidity stimulate pupae to hatch out.

Brand new flea jumps out of pupa and lands on pet. Fleas rarely, if ever, jump from pet to pet. All fleas on your pet are brand new fleas.

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("pet" in this post means "dog or cat")

Frontline and Advantage last about 3 weeks each for near complete kill (they kill some but not 95+% after that), and less if the animal is bathed or swimming a lot. Revolution for CATS (not for dogs) seems to last the full 4 weeks at better than 95% kill. I don't know about the other topicals (and there's a million and one new ones) because I don't use them; most seem to be safe and effective, but I haven't looked at the studies. If you're using anything that doesn't last the full 4 weeks, you either need to be applying more frequently (most of these products are safe up to every 2 weeks, check with your vet) or you need to cover the "gap" some other way (I like having Program/Sentinel as the background flea control on all pets using Frontline or Advantage).

OTC topicals work on fleas - but usually not for very long, and tend to be much less safe (but much cheaper) chemicals with increased risk of side effects, especially in cats. Flea collars don't work (well, they work around the pet's neck, but since most fleas seem to like the back half of the pet, and there's more to a pet than their neck, probably not useful). Flea shampoo works... while the shampoo is on the pet. All take several hours of flea contact with the pet to die. Which means the fleas can bite a few times. Usually takes 24h of flea on pet to start laying eggs, and all these products do kill faster than that.

Comfortis is a monthly chewable tablet for dogs (big pill, some dogs don't like flavor, can crumble into food and most dogs will take it that way). Capstar is a daily tablet for dogs and cats. Flea bites once, flea dies. Very effective kill, especially if you've got a very flea allergic pet.

Lufenuron (the drug in Program and Sentinel (Sentinel also has heartworm preventative)) is flea birth control. The drug is in the pet's system; the flea bites the pet, lays its eggs, poops its poop... but the eggs don't hatch and the larvae that eat the poop have trouble pupating properly. Decreases the numbers of eggs and larvae and pupae in the environment.

Effective flea control requires not just killing adult fleas but also the larval and pupal stages in the carpet/dirt/whatever. Good adult flea killing is important - I put dogs on Comfortis and cats on Revolution, but every vet probably has their own protocol. So now what you have to do is worry about the immature stages in the environment. If you wait (usually not more than 2-4 months) and keep the pets on good flea control, the eggs that are left will larvate and then pupate, and the pupae will hatch out into adult fleas, die when they bite the dog or sit on the cat a few hours, and in theory, you will have no new eggs in the environment.

You want your pets to turn into flea killing machines - let them go around the house, stimulate pupae to hatch out, and kill the fleas!

At this point, if you have "normal" dogs and cats, you can switch the pets onto a Program-only system - any new fleas they happen to pick up by wandering through the bushes and stimulating a pupa to hatch out will not be able to reproduce. A couple fleas on a dog or cat typically doesn't bother them much. A severely flea allergic dog or cat will need to be on a fast-acting adult flea killing product because that can be all it takes to set off their allergies.

Flea powder in vacuum works, but I worry about some of the flea powder being aerosolized expelled out into the air and being inhaled. Same with the flea-collar-in-the-vacuum-bag trick. Flea bombs and the like also work. But good flea control along with patience will as well.

Vacuum frequently to stimulate pupae to hatch out and decrease some of the eggs and larvae. Wash bedding/upholstry that can be washed (including the cushions). Let things sit in the sun for a day or two. But ultimately, good flea control on your dogs and cats is the only way to go.

For effective flea control, EVERY POTENTIAL HOST needs to be treated, or else the fleas are just going to breed on the one critter that hasn't been treated.

Most of the products I've mentioned are prescription products; talk to your vet about them.

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Ash, when you say "kids," do you mean fur-kids or human-kids? Fur-kids of what species? And what species are Lady, Spirit and Speed?
 
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All hardwood floors here, guys! And I mean fur kids. I forgot I took out the emoticons in my sig and most people know my pets on here are the only kids I have and what kind they are, but not everyone does. Speed and Spirit are cats, Lady is my dog. My 15 yr old sister is the only other one up here in the attic.

Our little 'problem' wouldn't be so bad if my mom would treat Sasha and Sabbath (their pits), because the ones jumping on Lady are dying when they bite her, but she keeps getting them from Sabbath and Sasha and bringing them upstairs. It's gotten a lot better, but I still get the occasional nip or find the occasional flea.

A slightly OT question...

I have the 25-44lb Frontline. Could I put a partial treatment on Sabbath (she's only about 10-15lbs right now), and the rest of that treatment and another tube on Sasha(she's about 70lbs). I refuse to spend $70 on dogs that aren't mine when I'm already buying their food, but I don't want them to suffer either, y'know?
 
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i was always told that splitting a bottle is a no no.

im not sure but i think it can harm the dogs. how about going out and getting the yard spray by 'Cutter' it kills fleas ticks mosquitoes and it lasts up to 4 weeks.

check it out here

i have just had really bad mosquitoes here but no fleas!!! thank goodness!
 
One thing that worked on the cats really well was the diatomaceous earth because I could sprinkle it on them and rub it in really well without having to give them baths. I've used that and salt on the dogs and it works exceedingly well - but, I have doggies that weigh like 7 or 8 lbs so it doesn't take a whole lot of work to rub it into them.

The diatomaceous earth cuts the fleas and eggs up making them dehydrate. It kills them right off without any residue or anything that is harmful to the animals.

I hope your fur kids don't have fleas too bad!
 
i was always told that splitting a bottle is a no no.

im not sure but i think it can harm the dogs. how about going out and getting the yard spray by 'Cutter' it kills fleas ticks mosquitoes and it lasts up to 4 weeks.

check it out here

i have just had really bad mosquitoes here but no fleas!!! thank goodness!



Unfortunately, we live in the city, so it's not just our yard, it's the yards next to us that have them as well. I really wish my mom would get flea stuff for Sasha and Sabbath. I'm tired of telling them Hartz/Zodiac/other cheap meds don't work. I love my parents, but this falls into that "some people shouldn't own pets" sorta thing. The cats and Lady aren't suffering too bad anymore, but they're still getting the odd bites here and there and bringing fleas up into the attic, which are in turn biting me, and Keith when he stays over. I'm just glad the chins can't get them.
 
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