Hello,
I am currently throrughley researching this right now, but I also know maybe some professionals will be able to shed some light on this or ANYONE who happens to have gone through this may know something about a situation I have been having:
I specialized in **** Beiges at one point early when I started breeding. I had a very very special male, an exceptional male. He was **** Beige, had previously won two titles, and he readily bred when he was introduced to the selected females. He produced wonderful offspring, most of the time all males,and had a great personality, etc
The first female he had, I kept, and she lived for four years. Her offspring however, whenever born female, would show at birth within minutes prolapsed rectum. One was very tiny, with her littermate brother completeley fine and no problems. Another female who bore a litter from him around the same time gave birth to two males and one female. The female was born without ANY nostrils whatsoever, however she had what appeared to be nostrils, but completely shut behind, and within days her limbs became very swollen and she was put down due to many serious health issues.
After these babies were born, I did not breed him again. The males have never had a problem, have had exceptional birth weights, and suffer no problems. The **** beige male suffers NO problems with going to the bathroom, if anything he doesnt go enough as he does not poop whenever he is taken out of his cage, but he has no qualms about pooping in his cage. He is the only chinchilla I have seen in my lifetime whom ever since buying is really "potty trained".
My thought that this might be genetic is because this morning very early I heard the kaking coming from the chinchilla's room. I went inside, and although all were active, I examined each one. At the time all appeared to be fine, and when I come in after they kak, they of course stop. This went on for a few hours though. I found it was the first born daughter from the **** beige male that I had kept. She is now a pet after having one stillborn female and another female with a prolapsed rectum, which I wonder if she passed on somehow genetically. The father of her litter comes from great lines, and has bred with many other females and those babies have no problems, so I know I can rule the father out.
Anyways, I pick her up today, the first daughter he ever had again, who lived, and there was literal guts cupped in my hand. Her rectum had been prolapsed to the point it was hanging out uncontrollably. It started to retract but mucous would come out. I am aware of the direness of this particular situation. After calling my exotics vet whom I have seen many times over the years, and trying very gently to reinsert the prolapsed rectum with the tip of the thermometer he had given me a while ago when her baby was born with this and I was thinking of what to do if it happened again, it did go back in, and he guided me through the procedure and everything went right. Then within a minute it would slide out. I drove her to the vet, about five minutes after talking on the phone with him, because I wanted to know if this coulde be fixed. He said it sounded severe and not to get my hopes up. I held her upside down because her sitting down would make the prolapse come out, inches of it.
Made it to the vet in a record 5 minutes. I went back to where they treat the animals, but not surgery, and helped as he examined her. Her belly felt oddly like a dead chinchillas belly, if anyone has ever had the unfortunate experience of handling a dead chinchilla. It was empty, and I have held her for multiples of years since the day she was born, it felt completeley empty in her abdomen, where it would usually be very squishy and warm and she had meat on her, it was hollow.
Without any gritty unnecessary details, she was put down, and for the better because no animal or living thing so innocent should be put through so much pain if it can be helped in any way.
I will miss her because I do allow myself to attach very close to my pets. Not having children has made them my children, the ones I rescue, and the ones who cannot have babies like her, or are thrown out, I give them a loving place and I HATE seeing things like this happen.
I am and have been reading about this but do not see ANY suggestion yet of this being genetic or being maybe carried by females. For some reason she lived and developed, and had babies, healthy boys at least, and was FINE yesterday, I check them because OF the things that I have seen happen, and then all of a sudden.... it just does not make any sense. What really doesnty make sense is that this cannot be coincidental, it either is genetic based or environment, but why only these females who in some way were tied to this male genetically as father or grandfather?
For general questions- I feed Ohio Mill tradition. Wisconsin's tradition mill is laughable the product they put out I almost wonder if they really own it because even the packageing is different. I order it from a popular vendor I believe many order tradition from, and have been feedng it for about 5 years. Two years before that I fed Tradition and Pen Pals mixed together.
The most they get fr "treats" is home picked, boiled, cooked, and cured apple sticks from non sprayed trees, and a supplemt that consists of rolled and steamed oats, no calf manna, but other things, very similar to the supplement Ryersons Ranch sells.
I have only fed Oxbow Hay, which I get by the 50 pound box, and the chinchillas all live in a completeley climate and humidity controlled environment, with natural light.
I have medical tanks, in a seperate room, and also "maternity cages" that ALL babies are born in and STAY in for the first two to three months of their lives.
I think that about sums it up. I have never had this problem before, only with this specific genetic line, and NONE of my chinchillas have ever suffered from mal, fur biting, or other things. There are no chinchillas around the ones that have died from this who have had any type of infections, had NOT been isolated for a month before introducing, or anything else like that.
Just sitting down and saying "oh well that just happens" just doesnt cut it for me when it is so related.... :no:
I am currently throrughley researching this right now, but I also know maybe some professionals will be able to shed some light on this or ANYONE who happens to have gone through this may know something about a situation I have been having:
I specialized in **** Beiges at one point early when I started breeding. I had a very very special male, an exceptional male. He was **** Beige, had previously won two titles, and he readily bred when he was introduced to the selected females. He produced wonderful offspring, most of the time all males,and had a great personality, etc
The first female he had, I kept, and she lived for four years. Her offspring however, whenever born female, would show at birth within minutes prolapsed rectum. One was very tiny, with her littermate brother completeley fine and no problems. Another female who bore a litter from him around the same time gave birth to two males and one female. The female was born without ANY nostrils whatsoever, however she had what appeared to be nostrils, but completely shut behind, and within days her limbs became very swollen and she was put down due to many serious health issues.
After these babies were born, I did not breed him again. The males have never had a problem, have had exceptional birth weights, and suffer no problems. The **** beige male suffers NO problems with going to the bathroom, if anything he doesnt go enough as he does not poop whenever he is taken out of his cage, but he has no qualms about pooping in his cage. He is the only chinchilla I have seen in my lifetime whom ever since buying is really "potty trained".
My thought that this might be genetic is because this morning very early I heard the kaking coming from the chinchilla's room. I went inside, and although all were active, I examined each one. At the time all appeared to be fine, and when I come in after they kak, they of course stop. This went on for a few hours though. I found it was the first born daughter from the **** beige male that I had kept. She is now a pet after having one stillborn female and another female with a prolapsed rectum, which I wonder if she passed on somehow genetically. The father of her litter comes from great lines, and has bred with many other females and those babies have no problems, so I know I can rule the father out.
Anyways, I pick her up today, the first daughter he ever had again, who lived, and there was literal guts cupped in my hand. Her rectum had been prolapsed to the point it was hanging out uncontrollably. It started to retract but mucous would come out. I am aware of the direness of this particular situation. After calling my exotics vet whom I have seen many times over the years, and trying very gently to reinsert the prolapsed rectum with the tip of the thermometer he had given me a while ago when her baby was born with this and I was thinking of what to do if it happened again, it did go back in, and he guided me through the procedure and everything went right. Then within a minute it would slide out. I drove her to the vet, about five minutes after talking on the phone with him, because I wanted to know if this coulde be fixed. He said it sounded severe and not to get my hopes up. I held her upside down because her sitting down would make the prolapse come out, inches of it.
Made it to the vet in a record 5 minutes. I went back to where they treat the animals, but not surgery, and helped as he examined her. Her belly felt oddly like a dead chinchillas belly, if anyone has ever had the unfortunate experience of handling a dead chinchilla. It was empty, and I have held her for multiples of years since the day she was born, it felt completeley empty in her abdomen, where it would usually be very squishy and warm and she had meat on her, it was hollow.
Without any gritty unnecessary details, she was put down, and for the better because no animal or living thing so innocent should be put through so much pain if it can be helped in any way.
I will miss her because I do allow myself to attach very close to my pets. Not having children has made them my children, the ones I rescue, and the ones who cannot have babies like her, or are thrown out, I give them a loving place and I HATE seeing things like this happen.
I am and have been reading about this but do not see ANY suggestion yet of this being genetic or being maybe carried by females. For some reason she lived and developed, and had babies, healthy boys at least, and was FINE yesterday, I check them because OF the things that I have seen happen, and then all of a sudden.... it just does not make any sense. What really doesnty make sense is that this cannot be coincidental, it either is genetic based or environment, but why only these females who in some way were tied to this male genetically as father or grandfather?
For general questions- I feed Ohio Mill tradition. Wisconsin's tradition mill is laughable the product they put out I almost wonder if they really own it because even the packageing is different. I order it from a popular vendor I believe many order tradition from, and have been feedng it for about 5 years. Two years before that I fed Tradition and Pen Pals mixed together.
The most they get fr "treats" is home picked, boiled, cooked, and cured apple sticks from non sprayed trees, and a supplemt that consists of rolled and steamed oats, no calf manna, but other things, very similar to the supplement Ryersons Ranch sells.
I have only fed Oxbow Hay, which I get by the 50 pound box, and the chinchillas all live in a completeley climate and humidity controlled environment, with natural light.
I have medical tanks, in a seperate room, and also "maternity cages" that ALL babies are born in and STAY in for the first two to three months of their lives.
I think that about sums it up. I have never had this problem before, only with this specific genetic line, and NONE of my chinchillas have ever suffered from mal, fur biting, or other things. There are no chinchillas around the ones that have died from this who have had any type of infections, had NOT been isolated for a month before introducing, or anything else like that.
Just sitting down and saying "oh well that just happens" just doesnt cut it for me when it is so related.... :no:
