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First.time.hedgie.mommy

"Lulu's Mommy:)"
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I just brought home my new baby lulu 4 days ago. Se is 9 and 1/2 weeks old. I have noticed a few things about her and wanted to get some feedback.

1. She poops a lot! Is this normal? I have her on the dried cat food she was eating at the pet shop. She seems to love it so I don't want to change it. I also got her a litter pan and been trying to litter train her but she seems to poop wherever she feels like it, mostly near her food and water.
2. She won't go near her wheel. I have tried to put her in and she just gets out. Is this something she will do on her own?
3. She is always biting on her water bottle, especially at 4am! I don't mind her being up at night and making noises but I am afraid she is going to hurt herself. Should I switch to a dish?
4. Also she sleeps all day long and most of the night, I feel she is maybe awake for two hours at the most. I believe she is warm enough because it is 72 in my house, plus she has a sleep bag, igloo and a small cat bed underneath. I try to get her up a few times so that she will eat and drink. This is also interfering with her eating schedule. She just kinda eats a little here and there till she finally finishes the whole bowl.
5. What are your thoughts on extra heat? Should I use a heating pad under the side where she sleeps? I don't want her to overheat. But I don't want her to go into hibernation either

As you can see I am very anxious about her. I want to make sure I am doing everything right so that she is feels comfortable and safe.
Thanks:)
 
What kind of cat food is she on? It is fairly normal for them to poop a lot (mine does). As long as the poop looks normal I wouldn't be concerned. With the litter training, try to move all the poop in her cage into the litter pan. This will encourage her to only use the litter pan. Some hedgehogs however are more difficult to potty train.

Some hedgehogs don't like wheels. She will most likely learn how to use it on her own.

I use a dish for water because water bottles can hurt their teeth if they continue to chew on it. Just make sure the dish is washed out daily to prevent bacteria build up.

She is still pretty new to your home so she may sleep a lot because she hasn't quite adjusted yet. If you’re concerned about the temperature, it’s a good idea to keep a thermometer next to her cage to make sure the temperature stays between 73-76 degrees Fahrenheit. The best option I have found for heat is a ceramic heat emitter. It is very important she does not go into hibernation. However, temperatures over 85 degrees Fahrenheit can be dangerous as well.

Hedgehogs don’t usually eat all their food at once. They will generally eat a little here and there until it’s gone. This is normal.

Hope this helps! :)
 
Congrats on your new baby!

1. She poops a lot! Is this normal?
>> Yes. Babies are little poop machines.

I have her on the dried cat food she was eating at the pet shop. She seems to love it so I don't want to change it.
>> good idea to keep food consistent for awhile. But she'll likely need changes as she grows. It's also good to have more thn one type of kibble. What is she on now?

I also got her a litter pan and been trying to litter train her but she seems to poop wherever she feels like it, mostly near her food and water.
>> babies can be pretty hit or miss. I'd expect she'll choose a place and become more consistent over time. Most mess on their wheels... but not all. I have a relatively clean wheeler now and it's just so odd!

2. She won't go near her wheel. I have tried to put her in and she just gets out. Is this something she will do on her own?
>> many hedgies only wheel in private; they just walk out of their wheels when you put them there... but then spend hours there on their own. She might be a clean wheeler. Or she may need a little time to adjust and explore on her own under the cover of nighttime darkness and quiet. Or maybe there's something funny with the wheel. What kind does she have?

3. She is always biting on her water bottle, especially at 4am! I don't mind her being up at night and making noises but I am afraid she is going to hurt herself. Should I switch to a dish?
>> yes... for a multitude of reasons, switch to a dish. While you're making the transition, have both bottle and dish in her cage until you know she's using the dish.

4. Also she sleeps all day long and most of the night, I feel she is maybe awake for two hours at the most. I believe she is warm enough because it is 72 in my house, plus she has a sleep bag, igloo and a small cat bed underneath. I try to get her up a few times so that she will eat and drink. This is also interfering with her eating schedule. She just kinda eats a little here and there till she finally finishes the whole bowl.
>> I'd up it a bit from 72. Your house probably gets a little cooler at night. How much does she eat over the course of a night?

5. What are your thoughts on extra heat? Should I use a heating pad under the side where she sleeps? I don't want her to overheat. But I don't want her to go into hibernation either
>> yes, I'd supplement the heat from 72. Being a little too cold is worse than being a little too warm. The best (most efficient and hedgie-friendly) way to accomplish that depends on what type of cage she's in. What does she have?
 
Hi thanks so much for replying!!!
She is on taste of the wild cat food, the pet shop said that is what they feed all their hedgehogs. Also I read that she will have green poop for the first few days because of the stress of the new environment, but she's never had green poop.
Her wheel is the super pet comfort wheel. It's plastic, no wires.
--since I've only had her for a few days, I usually wake up when she does and I'm up till she goes back to sleep, I've never seen her touch her wheel at night. She usually gets up, poops, eats, bites on her water bottle for awhile, plays with her tube and then goes back to sleep
She eats different amounts, sometimes she will eat her whole bowl and others she will eat about half at night then wake up during the day to eat the other half
-- at the moment she is in a large plastic storage bin. It has holes drilled into the top but I mostly keep the top off. Should I still continue to up the heat in the house if I get her another source of heat? I am constantly checking her body heat to make sure she isn't cold.
 
Hi thanks so much for replying!!!
You bet :)
She is on taste of the wild cat food, the pet shop said that is what they feed all their hedgehogs.
I hadn't previously heard of that food, but it looks pretty good in terms of ingredients; ie, the first few ingredients on the list are a good source of nutrition rather than bad things like rice/grain/low quality meat byproducts. I'm assuming she's on either the Canyon River or Rocky Mountain feline formula?? I might add some to my mix... good call by the pet shop on that one! It's so rare to see shops doing something right.
The protein is a little high on the Rocky Mountain... which is fine for a healthy hog. However, long-time owners have cautioned against too high protein, noting problems with kidney function. As she grows out of her baby stage she'll likely need something with a lower fat percent than either of the two. But as a baby, looks great.
Not right now, but soon (like a couple weeks), I'd introduce a second kibble to her diet to go along with the first. The reason is: hedgies tend not to transition to new food very easily and if something goes wrong with her current kibble (eg, the company changes the formulation, there's a recall, she decides she doesn't like it anymore, you just ran out and the store doesn't have any in stock, etc...), then you have that second kibble as a back-up to carry her through. Also, since there's no "perfect" food for hedgies, a second food may be able to round things out for her... for example, choosing a second food with a bit lower fat % - maybe she only needs a few pieces of it as a baby to get used to it, but then change the ratio over to include more of the 2nd lower fat food as she grows up.

Also I read that she will have green poop for the first few days because of the stress of the new environment, but she's never had green poop.
Congrats! That may change; don't become alarmed if it does unless it doesn't change back.

Her wheel is the super pet comfort wheel. It's plastic, no wires.
Good choice. Check to see that it rotates freely and that it's easy to get into and out of (I think I recall I had a stand that put it up a bit high on one of those). Hedgies can be finicky about their wheels; for example, it might smell "wrong" - try rinsing it out a few times with plain water in case there's a funny scent to it. After dry, put a couple kibbles in there to lure her up at night. You'll know what's happened by morning depending on what happened to the kibbles. Check to see if it wobbles a bit funny -- like if the stand isn't flat to the floor.
Some hedgies have a problem with the plastic ridges that line the inside of that wheel. You could try lining it with craft foam to rule that factor in/out. Though, of store-bought wheels, you definitely got the best. The solid running surface is safest for hedgies (unlike the Silent Spinner which has dangerous gaps running down the centerline) and it tends to hold together well (others fall apart; land on hedgies, etc... If all else fails, you could try a Flying Saucer wheel (form pet store), making your own bucket-type wheel, or buying a bucket-type wheel from reputable makers.
Check the environment too. Some hedgies are such closet wheelers - make sure it's dark and quiet for hours on end. If those conditions aren't met, some will refuse to wheel.
But also consider, she's young... she may just need some time and space to figure it out.

--since I've only had her for a few days, I usually wake up when she does and I'm up till she goes back to sleep, I've never seen her touch her wheel at night. She usually gets up, poops, eats, bites on her water bottle for awhile, plays with her tube and then goes back to sleep
In addition to being poop machines, babies do sleep a lot. I once had my little girl fall asleep in my hands as she was walking from one to the next. She ended up with her little body curled around the side of one hand and her little face smushed into the palm of the other. And she slept like that for awhile -- she was too adorable for me to separate my hands.

She eats different amounts, sometimes she will eat her whole bowl and others she will eat about half at night then wake up during the day to eat the other half
That pattern sounds pretty normal to me... especially for a baby. I had one that would eat the majority and night, then come out for a snack around 5pm. Another one only eats at night.
As long as it's approximately the same amount over a 24-hour period (almost regardless of when within the 24 hours), that's good. You just really don't want her going a whole day with very little or nothing.

-- at the moment she is in a large plastic storage bin. It has holes drilled into the top but I mostly keep the top off. Should I still continue to up the heat in the house if I get her another source of heat? I am constantly checking her body heat to make sure she isn't cold.
If the thermostat is in another room than her cage, it can be hard to tell if she's at a nice consistent temp... for example, if the thermostat is near the middle of your house and she's closer to the outside, it's possible that her room is getting colder or fluctuating more than the center of your home. And, of course, unless you're in a consistently warm part of the world or have unlimited finances, it's going to get expensive keeping your whole house up to hedgie standards. Also, figure, if she gets ill, one of the first things you do is bump the temp up a degree or two... meaning your whole house has to go up a couple degrees. So I think I'd be looking at finding a way to control the temp that's more hedgie-specific.
With a plastic bin set-up, I'd aim to regulate the temp in whichever room she's in. I'd get a stand-alone space heater... not the small fire-trap kind, but something nice like an oil heater with a built-in thermostat.
I'm not really a fan of the under-cage heating pad idea. I like them as supplemental heat, but not as a primary heat source. The kind you could use with a plastic bin is the kind you'd get at a drug store (ie, wouldn't get so hot as to melt plastic)... but it's hard to set the temp "just right" and they have auto-shut offs so that you don't accidentally burn yourself.
Some folks have used mini-CHE's with plastic bins to heat the air. It's a system where you have a small ceramic heat emitter (CHE) bulb screwed into a small (less than 8" diameter) lamp that's rated to accept CHE's and is plugged into a thermostat controller. That system does a good job of keeping the temperature in the right zone while not heating your entire house up.

Another benefit to having a system that's more cage-specific (rather than a house- or room-level one) is you can travel with hedgie without asking your hosts to modify things to fit hedgie's needs.
 
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>what kind of kibble do you suggest?
>also can you send me a link of a good space heater? Do you just place it near her cage? I saw one on Walmart.com that has a thermostat already on it.
> I am making my own cage liners cause I'm pretty good at sewing, do you have a suggestion for the absorbent material in the middle? Also do you know how to make the igloo covers?

Here's some pictures of Lulu:) she is so sweet
 

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Aww... what a sweet little girl!

For a second kibble, I might go with something from Fromm (http://frommfamily.com/products/four-star/cat or http://frommfamily.com/products/gold/cat/dry/mature-gold). They make a good quality kibble that's nice and small in size - perfect for a baby hedgie and to help preserve those teeth as hedgie grows. The "mature gold" has a lower fat% that's right in the good range for an adult hedgie.

Halo Spot's Stew (http://www.halopets.com/natural-cat-food.html) is another nice food in either Grain-Free. Or Indoor Cat to help reduce the fat %. Same idea with Blue Buffalo (http://bluebuffalo.com/dry-cat-food). Other good/popular with many hedgies brands include Wellness, Innova, and Natural Balance Pea & Duck.

In general, the things you want to look for is a protein maxing out around ~30% and fat ~8-12% (aim for a higher fat % for babies and those that wheel all night long who need that extra cushion), a nice kibble size, and to see that the list of ingredients includes good things -- especially the first 3 ingredients.

Heating -- something like this would work nicely. I have something like this (can't find my exact one online at the moment) that I got in an emergent situation (my hedgie's thermostat died and I didn't have a back-up). It does a nice job of keeping the room warm within a hedgie-friendly range. The downside is that, with the forced air, it contributes to dry skin. If I had more time to shop when I got it, I probably would have gone with a radiator-type like the first link.

Top priorities you'll want to look for are: it needs to have a thermostat controller built in and you don't want it to automatically shut off (so either there's no auto-shut off built in OR, if it has one, you need to be able to override it). Secondarily, consider how much electricity they use in relation to their output (ie, cost of operation vs ability to actually heat the room) and how drying to Lulu's skin it'll be. You can always add a humidifier... but, gosh, how many appliances for one small hedgie, eh? (says she with a humidifer, HEPA filter, etc...)

Cage liners... great! Some folks use regular fleece on the inside... so, essentially, you have three layers of fleece. Others use the... can't think of the right word for it just now... the absorbent fabric that you'd use to make cloth diapers for babies. Yet others go in the opposite direction and use the material from the pads on which you might change a baby or put in their bassinet -- the type that doesn't absorb (like this).

Personally, I'd go with the absorbent version. I want it to pull wetness away from hedgie. Either way, when you're sewing, make sure you're using small, tight stitches. A bad outcome would be to leave an unsecured loop or a dangling thread and have Lulu catch a toe in it. Hedgies have lost toes that way :(

For igloo covers, I've gone to the professionals. Nancy (on this board) created wonderfully cute and functional designs... I have four of hers. She's stopped sewing and provided her designs to Nicole at http://quillsnthings.webs.com/ who does really great work. I have several hedgiebags, hats, and liners that she crafted.
 
Okay so I just went shopping!! I love shopping for her!
> I bought her a space heater, it does blow air but it only will if the temperature drops below 75, I also put a thermometer in her cage and it works wonderful. Knowing that she is warm enough takes a huge weight of worry off of me.
> I also got her a ceramic dish like her food dish for her water, I woke her up and she immediately used it. Should I still keep the bottle in there or can I take it out?
> I went to the fabric store and got the fabric to make her cage liners. I am using flannel on top and fleece on the bottom. The lady there had a great idea for the absorbent middle layer. Using puppy pads in the middle. Since they aren't washable, leave one side in sewed and longer so that it can flip under and either button or Velcro underneath, this way you can change out the puppy pads. I have a ton left over from my two puppies. If I decide not to use them anymore I can always sew that side up.
> yeah I'm just going to order her an igloo cover
 
Oil heaters are best (because they are safer) but they are more money. I think places like Walmart would have them fairly cheap. Worth the investment if you decide to switch or upgrade.

You'll know if she has switched to a water bottle because there will be crumbs in her dish. Hope this works out for you. The water bottle can definitely cause damage. If she is hewing she might like a safe rubber cat toy (really durable that she cannot break pieces off of). I have a few hogs that just insist on gnawing.

Good luck!
 
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