thanks , but ive tried the dust bath and treat trick but nothings working it could be cos hes sleeping somewhere as its during in the day, hes got into the floor boards on the second floor of the house so i occasionally hear him... i just cant believe it because i have let him in that room so many times to run around and he has never even attempted to go through it i didn't even realize there was a gap, what ive done is left his cage by the gap and got a couple of treats and a dust bath in it but ive "rigged" the door to close when he eats the treat...fingers crossed