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Most service dog organizations won't let a child that young have a service animal anyway. It's often very hard even for high school and college aged people to get properly bred, trained, and certified service animals when they have a genuine need, according to a college friend of mine with Cerebral Palsy.

After reading AmandaDi's post, I'm a little disgusted that they haven't made licensing and ID mandatory for service animals. It's safer for the dog, as well as the humans.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with asking for proof that a dog is a service dog, if a cop pulls me over they can ask me for proof of license and insurance, and I am required by law to provide it. If I am smoking or drinking and look underage I am required to show ID.

Personally I don't think that if I was disabled and it wasn't clearly visible, I would not be offended if someone asked for an ID or something that verified I had a disability. People with disabilities get certain privileges, and I'd feel that was just protecting my privileges from being mis-used. Similar to how you must have a handicap parking tag to park in handicap ( at least here anyway ).

Amanda, would you be offended if you had to provide proof that Callie is a service animal? If it was something as simple as an ID similar to a drivers license? What if it was a tag on their collar? Or a license sized ID on their vest?

How do people with trained dogs and severe disabilities feel about "non-certified" dogs?

IMO, an animal for ADHD or "nervous disorders" doesn't need to be in a restaurant in MOST cases. I understand that some cases are extreme and might be beneficial, but in most, I don't consider this a necessity. A dog that helps people get around if they can't see, yes. A dog who helps people with seizures, yes. A dog who helps open doors, pick up dropped items for a person... probably yes ( although most places gladly accommodate if needed). A kid with ADHD... I guess to me that's different, I don't know why. Probably because I think that most (not all ) ADHD is actually lack of discipline. For example, in Carol's case, the child was not even WITH the dog. And obviously it was not trained, is this woman a professional dog trainer or handler? Probably not.
 
I would not be offended simply because I think it should be required. I am on a service dog list and this topic gets beaten to death. People who have trained their own dogs say they should have the same rights as those who went through an agency - their reasons are agencies have long waiting lists, some require high fees to get the dog. So they say if they can train it, it should suffice. I agree, BUT I think there should be a state certification, that comes TO YOU, to be sure you indeed are using a dog that is capable of being in public for a service. Should know basic commands and show it is a gentle dog. --- I know that the lists are long. I know sometimes it can be expensive (my advice, apply to the many that do not require you to pay!). But regardless, I think the system is abused and we need to fix it.

I agree with whoever stated that it is crazy service dogs dont have to pass a test, but therapy dogs do. I know my dog had to complete a list of like 100 tasks before she was able to go into the class where she was chosen by me! Only makes sense to me.

Nicole, I see where you say "A dog who helps open doors, pick up dropped items for a person... probably yes ( although most places gladly accommodate if needed)." and I agree. There are many times I think to myself, I have my friend with me and she'll get what I need. But the point is to become independent. Its a part of knowing that I dont HAVE to ask someone else to stop what they are doing in order to help me. Granted I still do sometimes, Callie cant get the Milk out of the thing at Walmart for me!... but its the principle behind the independence issue. Additionally, once you have a service dog it is very important to keep a strong bond. If I left Callie at home all the time she wouldnt feel that bond with me and wouldnt get the exposure she needs for times that I really NEED to have her out with me.

There are a lot of people who think that getting a service dog will fix all their problems... it wont. Im trying to get that through to even my brother. Having a SD is like having a kid attached to your hip all the time. She has her days when Im like "Callie, come on please just cooperate" bc she is having a dog day... which is expected from any trained animal... just like we have our off days. I have to deal with people always wanting to pet her. Stupid people shreaking because there is a dog in the place and they are afraid. There is a lot to take on when you have a SD and I think too many people over look that. I would do it again in a heart beat though! Callie makes me feel safe when I am home alone. I know if I drop the phone and need it in an emergency, she is gonna get it for me! If I accidently bang my door shut, she can let me out again! Stuff like that.

*Sorry for the rambling!*
 
I didn't think you were rambling at all!

And I agree with your points. As for the comment you commented on, I was mostly referring to people who might be able to get along okay, but "might" need help, opposed to people who know they will need help.

I think that people should be able to train their own dogs, as long as they pass a certification test. If the dog is so well trained then there shouldn't be a problem with them taking a day or so to get their dog certified.

What a tricky subject.
 
Doesn't sound like a service dog to me. I thought that service dogs were for physical disabilities like blindness, crippled to the point of wheel chairs, etc, not ADHD. Heck, I have several people in my family with ADHD and they didn't get offered a dog or even told that a service dog could help. Those dogs are tested in busy places, just like if a blind man was trying to walk to market with one, that dog would have to stay focused or that man would be hit by a car, none of this crap. And last I heard (or at least my mom taught me this way) you weren't supposed to pet service dogs because it is their job to do what they were bred and trained to do and petting them gets them off track and distracted. So I really, really doubt it was infact a service dog and if the dog snapped at my granddaughter (If I had one) I'd be mad too. I'd complain to the manager that the dog was a safety hazard and ask the woman to show proof that it was infact a service dog.
I just now read that it was illegal to ask for proof, what a rip.
 
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I've seen some service dogs that have a pin or patch that says, "Please don't bother me, I'm working".

Mine says "Please dont pet me, Im working" ... its amazing how many people pet her and say "awe it says you are working" as they continue to pet. Or they ask me first and I say yes you can pet her... then they read the patch and stop petting her and look at me as if I didnt know what it said! They say "its says not to pet her" ... hmm, who would you listen to, the owner or the patch! I'm like "I dont mind as long as you ask. You asked, so you can pet her. The sign is so people dont just come up and startle her." I get some pretty dumb founded looks!

Ohh and how about the ones who sit on the floor with my dog when I say yes you can pet her. I said PET her, not make love to her! Im obivously trying to shop and the people with me have already left me bc they are tired of waiting while some stranger sits on the floor to pet my dog! OR the ones who whistle and say come here doggie!! Callie doesnt know she is a dog and whistling at her is just stupid! Some people are so immature!
 
Mine says "Please dont pet me, Im working" ... its amazing how many people pet her and say "awe it says you are working" as they continue to pet. Or they ask me first and I say yes you can pet her... then they read the patch and stop petting her and look at me as if I didnt know what it said! They say "its says not to pet her" ... hmm, who would you listen to, the owner or the patch! I'm like "I dont mind as long as you ask. You asked, so you can pet her. The sign is so people dont just come up and startle her." I get some pretty dumb founded looks!

Ohh and how about the ones who sit on the floor with my dog when I say yes you can pet her. I said PET her, not make love to her! Im obivously trying to shop and the people with me have already left me bc they are tired of waiting while some stranger sits on the floor to pet my dog! OR the ones who whistle and say come here doggie!! Callie doesnt know she is a dog and whistling at her is just stupid! Some people are so immature!

My mom taught me not to mess with the dogs at all. To look from a distance (Like I'm a sniper or something) and move on. She said not to pet, not to whistle, not to talk to it, nothing. Her explanation was "If you were trying to do work that you were trained for and people kept bugging you when you were trying to stay focused, would you like it?"
I wouldn't even ask to pet, but that's just me and it's good that some people do ask to pet first, I just wouldn't want to bother Callie. I'd get pretty mad if they whistled for her, I'd probably tattle to the manager saying they were disturbing my service dog or something but that's just because I get agitated easily.
 
Here is an article that ran in my local paper in Dec 2006. I typed it up after it ran, so excuse any typos! Thought yall might enjoy it!

Dog At Work

Amanda has a working friend, a canine companion who makes her life in a wheelchair a whole lot easier. Callie, a 4-year old golden retriever, can execute 93 commands, from opening a door and turning on the lights to picking up a dropped phone for Amanda.
The retriever also can get items off shelves for Amanda when she shops at the mall and hand the clerk Amanda’s wallet when she is finished shopping so she can pay for her goods. If Amanda needs her to carry her shopping bags, Callie can do that too.
As much as Amanda has come to rely upon, respect and appreciate her companion of two years, she is also frustrated by both rude onlookers and well-meaning folks who don’t seem to understand that service dogs like Callie should not be petted or distracted while they are working.
“I have so many people who randomly pet my service dog or make crude noises directed at her in order to get her attention,” Eads said. “I want to be able to educate people on the proper way to act around a service dog.”
First off, Callie wears a vest when she is out in public with Amanda, and once Callie puts on that vest, her demeanor changes. Callie has a job to do, one she takes very seriously.
When she is in her vest, Callie has been trained not to wag her tail so that she doesn’t knock things over closer to her owner.
Some strangers have commented that Callie looks “sad” or must be “scared” because she has a low-key personality and keeps her tail tucked between her legs in public. Callie has been trained to keep her tail low and quiet when she is working, and not to get too excited by noises or distractions that other people make.
Her job is to focus on Amanda. And that committed, total focus may mean the difference between life and death one day, so Amanda asks that folks practice a few basic manners when they see a disabled person with a service dog.
When you meet a person with a service dog, don’t do anything to interrupt the service dog from performing its tasks.
Callie has a patch on her best that asks people not to pet her when she is working. Even with it on, mothers frequently will allow their children to pet the dog without asking.
Another patch spells out Callie’s name. Amanda is upset by people who clearly see the patches and call Callie by her name and reach out to pet her or allow their children to pet her without asking permission.
Callie’s name is emblazoned on the jacket so that if Amanda is incapacitated and needs help, a police officer or firefighter will know that her dog is a service dog. Knowing its name would help emergency personnel calm the dog and assure it is not left behind but rather is taken with the patient to the hospital.
Amanda cannot count the number of times people have come up behind her when she is standing in line and grabbed the back end of Callie playfully, as if the dog were their own personal playmate.
Callie has become slightly skittish because of this and now will stand and look backward when the two are in line together.
“I think Callie figures that she will watch things from behind us and I’ll be watching out in front,” Amanda said.
Callie was donated to Amanda through Canine Assistants in Georgia, which found two sponsors (DECA and Milk Bone) to pay for the high cost of adopting a service dog. The sponsors donated $10,000, which includes two years of intense training and some costs for food and health care for Callie.
Amanda and her family have picked up some of these general maintenance costs so the money can be returned to help others who need a service dog.
“Having Callie has been amazing,” Amanda said. “I used to be afraid if my parents left me alone here at the house, that I wouldn’t be able to open a door to get out of the house in case of fire or if I dropped the phone, I wouldn’t be able to pick it up again.
“Callie can open the door if I need to get out of the house quickly or pick up the phone for me. She makes it much easier for me to be more independent.”
Amanda suffers from spinal muscular atrophy and has been confined to a wheelchair her entire life. Her disease has left her with no strength.
“I can’t lift more than a pound on a good day. And I am fully dependent on others to get in and out of this wheelchair,” she said.
Unlike people who are blind or deaf or those who have epilepsy, Amanda doesn’t need Callie to be in tune with her every moment of every day. But when someone is distracting a service dog by whistling or clapping their hands, or petting without gaining the owner’s permission first, the dog is not able to completely focus on their charges.
“I usually don’t mind if people pet her, but they should always ask me first,” explained Amanda. “People will pet her or let their kids pet her even after they have seen her vest that says, ‘don’t pet me, I’m working.’
People whistle and smack their lips together to get her attention, and yell her name. This is rude and it distracts her from her job.”
Amanda reminds people that if the disabled person is blind or has epileptic seizures, distracting the service dog under any circumstances can create a dangerous, even life-threatening situation.
The 24-year old, who is a senior at Tarleton State majoring in business management, business administration and human resource management, is in the process of getting her own vehicle.
Callie, who is trained to be with Amanda 24 hours a day, will undoubtedly be in the passenger seat anywhere Amanda decides to go.
Service dogs are not required to wear vests or tags that indicate they are working dogs. But they are allowed nearly every place where the general public is welcome.
Service dogs are permitted to ride in taxis, buses and trains, and they may enter restaurants, theaters, hotels and public schools. A few rare situations exist where the service dog would be prohibited, such as a sterile surgical setting.
If you aren’t sure if the dog standing with a person is a pet or a working dog, ask the handler, “Is this a service dog?”
It is okay to ask what tasks the dog has been trained to do for the handler, but it is not appropriate to ask the person about the nature or extent of their disabilities.
Remember that service dogs are not pets. If you own a business that is open to the public, you must allow a person with a service dog to have access.
If the service dog growls, barks or whines, first determine what happened before taking any action. Perhaps someone stepped on the dog’s tail, causing it to yelp. Also, make sure the dog did not bark in response to the handler’s medical condition.
If other customers in the store complain about the dog being present, explain to customers that service dogs are medically necessary and that federal law permits people with service dogs to have access to public places.
Handlers of service dogs are required to obey local leash and vaccine laws and must have their dogs under control at all times. The trick for pairs like Amanda and Callie, however, is to educate the rest of us to use a couple of heaping tablespoons worth of common sense around them.
There is an old adage that says, “Let a sleeping dog lie.” Maybe a new saying should be added to the lexicon: “Let a service dog work uninterrupted.”

Service Dog Etiquette
Here are some rules for interacting with people with service dogs.
• Speak to the person first. Do not make distracting or rude noises aimed at the service dog.
• Do not touch the service dog without asking permission.
• Do not feed the service dog.
• Do not ask personal questions about the handler’s disability or intrude on his or her privacy. Don’t be offended if the handler declines to chat about the service dog.

There are also 4 pics! One of Callie opening the door in my room... One of her handing me a pen I dropped... One of Callie and I that was on my Christmas card the year I got her... and one the lady who wrote the article took in my front yard of the two of us!

I think overall she did well. I think it gets the point across at least. It was the nicest way to say "Idiots, leave me and Callie alone!"
 
Here are a couple of her working at home.

Opening and closing a door. Giving me a pen I dropped. The one I have of her flipping the light switch is too big to post and Im too lazy to size it! It just shows her standing on her hind legs up against the wall with her fast on the switch.
 

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My big dog can open doors... if the latch is a push latch, like the kind of screen dogs, but he taught himself that to let himself out... I wasn't happy about it, lol.

Callie's very pretty.

When she "retires" will you keep her or rehome her?
 
Amanda mentioned earlier when her dog retires it will be the family pet. I just may go back to that McDonald's Monday and talk to the manager. I am still so ticked that dog snapped at my granddaughter.
 
Thanks! Yes, Callie will be here after she retires!! No way I could give her up!

My other dog, a german shepherd, he opens the doors without the ties on!!! He lets himself outside all the time! We have to shut the second door with a regular knob just to keep him in!
 
Sounds like my dog!

I'm glad she'll be staying with you! I know that some people re-home them. And hey.. it never hurts to have a "back up" helper around!
 
As a person with a medically document anxiety disorder, (chronic), I can't stress enough how my cat helps me cope. I know that sounds kind of odd, but as animal lovers, I think some of you may understand. I really think my cat knows that I need her. She never runs from me and has an excellent temperament. I can even hug her for minutes on end and she just purrrrrrrrrs and licks my nose!

But I don't ever think that I would get her registered. I have other ways to cope. In the beginning, I was a mess! But there are so many ways to deal with anxiety! And for those who think that anxiety is just a minor issue, people can have such bad anxiety attacks that they forget where they are and can black out, etc.

But that doesn't stop me from being an independent and successful person! I am *almost* a university graduate from one of the best schools in Canada, I have a job, a long term relationship, I travel all over the world, etc.....

As far as that nippy dog goes, that just makes it harder for other people with disabilities to be taken seriously!
 
I have recently learned that there are service animals (who have rights to go places and live places even if pets are restricted) and emotional support animals (who only have rights to live places). Service animals *should* have a lot more training and have identifiable tasks they perform for their person (Callie for Amanda is a good example, as are things like Dogs for Diabetics and Guide Dogs for the Blind). Emotional support animals don't have identifiable medical tasks, but do what it sounds like they should - like Jeanette's cat. And is probably what the dog in the initial post is.
 
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