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sdellin

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I'm not sure where to post this, so here it is. Please move to appropriate forum as necessary.

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This is Choochi. I have had him for about 6 years. I got him before I moved to the country, from a friend who had adopted him from the SPCA. I bought Choochi a really nice larger cage, which I will post pics of later. Eventually I took Choochi to the chinchilla rescue and he picked out a buddy for himself. The new chin we named Moki. Choochi and Moki were happy together for about 5 years. They were best buds, sleeping cuddled up and playing together.

A week ago I noticed Moki had a "wet chin." I was able to get him in to the vet at UC Davis today. Apparently Moki was very sick. I didn't even know he was sick. Of course I'm going to blame myself for not seeing it sooner, I know that's not a good thing to do at this point, but we all will do that. Our job is to care for them and know when they need the vet. Anyway, Moki would always take and eat treats, right up until today, and he would attack the food dish whenever I refilled it. I saw him drinking water and he seemed healthy. I don't hold my chins much because they don't care to be held. They have each other for affection and even though they are tame enough to handle, they prefer to not be held. I will be holding Choochi every day now because if I had done that with Moki I would have felt that he was skinny. I didn't see it with all his fur. He was eating fine, so I didn't have any idea he was sick.

The vet told me that Moki had dental problems. I had looked online prior to taking him in and thought he just needed his teeth clipped or filed down. Well, it was way beyond that point. He had points on all his back teeth, his teeth are white, not yellow as they should be, and he had an infection in his mouth. These things I did not know about and my vet told me there isn't a whole lot known about chinchillas at this point. So I'm here to learn everything I can about them.

Our vet felt that Moki was in such bad shape that she may not be able to treat him even if we could afford it, $600 just to diagnose him and then up to another $600 for dental work. She felt that even if we got a good diagnosis he probably had infection in the bones in the mouth and that would make treating him unrealistic. In order to even get him healthy enough to go through the steps of diagnosing, which would require anesthesia, he would have to be hospitalized for at least three days to gain weight so he could handle the treatment. After all of this, I was told he would need regular dental work somewhere between every 2 and 4 months costing another $600.

Well, as you can probably guess, we chose to let Moki go, knowing his chances were not that good even if we could spend $2400 a year on his teeth. I'm very sad, but I believe we made the right choice for Moki, considering he was in pain. I only wish I would have known much sooner. My vet told me that if he hadn't started drooling I may never have known until he got weak enough to stop eating.

Talk about feeling like a failure! However, I'm not here so that you all can tell me that it's okay, that I shouldn't feel like that and that it wasn't my fault. How I feel about this isn't going to change no matter what anyone says. I'm human, I accepted responsibility for these guys and Moki became very ill in my care. What I am here for is this: I must now learn all that I can about chinchillas and make sure Choochi gets the best care I can give him. I thought I knew what they needed and was providing it, but maybe I have more to learn.

I feed choochi a pre-packaged chinchilla feed (I think it's KayTee, but I have used others). The one I feed is mostly hay pellets, with other pellets mixed in made from veggies and there are some seeds and fruit pieces in the mix as well. I have rye hay for my horse, so I give that to Choochi as well. He gets plenty of water (2 bottles in case one fails) and he gets branches from the willow and fruitless mulberry trees. When there are leaves (not winter) the chins also get willow tree leaves and fruitless mulberry leaves. I sometimes buy them lava blocks and other things that are made for chinchillas at the pet store.

I am open to any advice on feeding/housing, etc. I will post a pic of his cage later on when my phone battery isn't dead. I do not provide UVB lighting because chins are noctural, but that came up at the vets office today. Maybe they need UVB light??? I have it for my iguana and my parrot, so if need be I can provide one for the chin as well. I am going to look on this site for a care sheet, maybe someone can post a link for me.

Thanks in advance for any advice and I look forward to keeping in touch with other chin owners.
 
No you do not need UVB light. A straight pellet without all of the stuff added in is what you want. Those mixes with all of the stuff added isn't good. Unlimited hay, a good pellet is all you need. An occasional Cheerio or plain Shredded Wheat is ok.
 
You dont talk about the hay you feed, do your chins like it? Do you have wood hanging toys that are changed on a frequent basis? Wood chew sticks changed on a regular basis? That said, malocclusion can happen to any chin at any time, it is just bad luck in some cases, some cases its hereditary, some cases accident, some cases feed/hay but the MOST important thing you can do to catch the issue early is to weigh you chins at least once a month on a gram scale. Weight loss is a early symptom for teeth and other health issues, chins hide illness well until they are ready to die in some cases, so please get a scale and weigh the chin at least monthly. I personally do use full spectrum lighting in my chin room, have for years.
 
No you do not need UVB light. A straight pellet without all of the stuff added in is what you want. Those mixes with all of the stuff added isn't good. Unlimited hay, a good pellet is all you need. An occasional Cheerio or plain Shredded Wheat is ok.

Thanks, I didn't think they needed UVB. A good quality pellet, meaning just the pellet that's made from hay? Do you have a kind that you can recommend? I give them the ones with the fun stuff because they like it, but I know they don't need it. I think I may have ordered a Masuri pellet at one time. Recommendations welcome.

You dont talk about the hay you feed, do your chins like it? Do you have wood hanging toys that are changed on a frequent basis? Wood chew sticks changed on a regular basis? That said, malocclusion can happen to any chin at any time, it is just bad luck in some cases, some cases its hereditary, some cases accident, some cases feed/hay but the MOST important thing you can do to catch the issue early is to weigh you chins at least once a month on a gram scale. Weight loss is a early symptom for teeth and other health issues, chins hide illness well until they are ready to die in some cases, so please get a scale and weigh the chin at least monthly. I personally do use full spectrum lighting in my chin room, have for years.

The hay I'm feeding right now is a rye hay. I have an orchard grass/alfalfa hay mix, but I wasn't sure the alfalfa was okay for a male chin. I know male goats can get kidney stones from the alfalfa. I have bought timothy hay before in bales. What do you recommend? The chins seem to pick at whatever hay I give them. So I assume they like it. But I would like to get what's best for Choochi.
 
Dawn, I do have wooden chew toys and I give them branches from the trees we have (willow and mulberry). I do buy the stick sold at the stores now and then. In the pictures you can see the chew toys hanging, that's just some of them. I have more in a bag and I change them out now and then.

Do you leave your UVB lighting on in the daytime or nighttime? My chins would always sleep most of the day.

Here are pics of my setup. I use blue cloud dust and I will get a gram scale.

Choochi's cage, hammock at the top right. He sleeps in that.


Choochi in his bath:


Top half, hanging wood toys are there and his granite slab for cooling.


Bottom half, hanging wooden platform, he chews on this, and I remove the dust bath after a few minutes, giving it to him 3 times a week or so.
 
I'm sorry for the loss of your chin :( I hope Choochi isn't reacting to bad to what has happened.

As for your feed, you should NEVER feed chins the food you describe. Pretty much everything the pet store's sell for food is horrible for chins. You can use oxbow or mazuri. That's the main pellets I know people use and even sell on here (in the classified section). Pellet, hay, and water should be available at all times.

You should have some wood chews and toys for them. You can also buy those in the classified section. They should not have any plastic in their cages if they are plastic chewers. They can become ill from eating plastic. So it's probably best to just remove it all from his cage if you have any in it.

I hope things get better and I hope this helps :)
 
The pellet does need changed. Some use rabbit pellets from the feed store or other plain pellets and some order oxbow or mazuri chin pellets online. The hay should be fine as long as it's harvested and stored well (no rain, minimal light, etc...) and is less than 1 year old. Less than 6months is better because the fat soluable vitamins drop after 4-5months but those are usually found in any concentrated feed you give your animals. Make sure to keep fresh wood in the cage. You can make pine board shelves as well using hanger bolts or purchase shelves made with various wood that they can chew and climb on. You should replace all the plastic shelves with these. You should not give any toy with plastic.
 
I did reply to the first few responses, but my posts have not shown up yet. Sorry, maybe they will be approved and show up soon.

Thanks for the tips on plastic. I will take that advice and remove all the plastic, including the shelves and replace those with wood. I thought pine wood was bad for chins??? If so, what wood should I use?

I was using horse bedding for the litter box, but I contacted the manufacturer and found out it has a small amount of pine in it, so I bought some natural pellets for the litter box. What do you all use for the litter boxes?

Also, Choochi has a plastic wheel to run in. He does chew on it. What can I replace it with? I want one that is solid, not with open bars. Any ideas? I haven't seen a solid one that is not made of plastic.

Also, I ordered the Mazuri pellets today.
 
You can order shelves that are chin safe in the classified section as well!

As for the wheel, people recommend metal. The different ones are flying saucer, chin spin, leo braun, and a few others. I'm sure if you search "Wheel" in the search bar i'm sure you'll get great responses. I would remove his plastic wheel ASAP. Those aren't safe for chins.
 
There is a wheel poll toward the bottom of the chin forum. It's under the Poll section if you'd like to look at that!
 
I will definately look for a metal wheel for Choochi. Thanks, and I will keep you all posted. I have been taking him out, holding him once a day since Moki left us. That's to king of help him forget, giving him something new to focus on.

Do you all handle your chins? Is there any information on this site about the weight they should be, and the different varieties of chins? Moki was a much smaller variety. Choochi is huge and fluffy.

He seems to be adjusting fine, he's still active and making a mess of his hay. I have started making sure he has hay every day, refreshing it each morning.
 
Natural wood bark toys are usually a hit with most chins, I have found the wood toys that are smooth and colored are usually a bust. When there are potential issues with teeth, the more toys and toys replaced frequently the better.
 
I'm so sorry for your loss of Moki. :flowers5:

Choochi will need some extra love and attention since he has lost his beloved cagemate.
 
Hi People,

I finally found a metal wheel for Choochi and I ordered that. As for the food, I'm getting the Masuri, but I noticed that Oxbow is available at Petsmart. One person recommended that, so I may be able to buy food from the pet store if they continue to carry it.

I have been taking Choochi out every day to get him distracted and used to being handled. I will start another thread about taming.

So the plastic wheel is gone, I will make wooden shelves for him and the only plastic now (other than those shelves) is the dust box, which I take out after he uses it. Any other suggestions on my setup are welcome.

Thanks so much.
 
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