I could smell urine at the door. (Warning: rant worthy.)

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3CsMommy

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Congratulate me, everyone. I didn't chew a new (expletive deleted) into the (expletive deleted) idiot that still has my oldest chin's mother and sister in his possession. :realmad:

For full background, see post #14 in this thread: http://www.chins-n-hedgies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1057&page=2 But, longer story short, a missexed chinchilla was put in with 2 males, had kits, and after one kit died, we took the remaining male baby and named him Cervantes.

When we last left off with this guy, he had 3 standard females in 1 cage, 2 males (a standard and a beige) in another. Some time later, his now ex-roommate took the chinchilla care book he'd never read off his shelf and got him to get non-plastic cages. So now, there's a plywood rabbit hutch in his kitchen for the chinchillas to live in, but it's okay because "they can't chew straight through vertical boards" and an $80 cage has lasted him almost a year. No shelves added, no toys inside, not even a small plastic wheel. Just bare wood and wire with a nearly brim full litter pan (no litter, all waste) underneath. They've chewed it down to the screws and nails and kept right on going. He hopes to get another year out of the cage before they make a hole big enough to escape through.

When I got there tonight (not my idea but I thought I could deal), they opened the apartment door and I smelled dirty chinchilla cage. Went into the kitchen and put my fingers at the grate for the beige chin to sniff. No interest. So, the owner opened the roof to reveal the two standard females huddled up in the hide part of the hutch. Taller Half and I spent about ten minutes offering gentle pettings and I got groomed a couple of times by the two females... Cervantes mother and sister. The other sister? With her father, at the owner's mother's house, sharing a cage.

One of the two girls still together is horribly fur chewed. The tips of most of her back and butt fur are *gone*. The other female has a few patches out of her butt, as does the beige male. I could feel their spines and ribs through their fur, and of course the pellet dish was empty and stained with pee. The owner said later that the Nutriphase he's feeding is getting harder to find and "they're **** expensive", and also that the beige 'used to be fat' so he tried not to feed them too much... but he's never weighed any of his chinchillas, or thought of trying it. (The sister, at 2.5 years old, is the size her brother was at about 8-10 mo., my best guess. The mother? Maybe slightly more.) Their water bottle was the cap from a Lixit bottle screwed onto a plastic pop bottle. The 3" of water in it was yellowy-orange and slightly murky. There wasn't any hay in the cage when we got there, so once the owner left the room I washed and filled their bowl and put a generous handful of hay in, which the girls snatched right out of my hands.

So, I'm more than a little upset that my boy's family is in such a state. After a text message discussion with Taller Half during the movie we watched, I offered to take the females with me when we go home tomorrow since he said they were "hard for him to keep up with". He waffled, even when his girlfriend pointed out that if he let them keep having babies, he's going to be "the crazy chinchilla guy" instead of a Crazy Cat Lady. Finally before we left, I wrote down the forum address (which he won't use, I can guarantee it), and said "I'm going to be blunt here, but I think you're in over your head with the number of animals you have. If you want help let me know." He said "Yeah, okay" in a sarcastic tone of voice and we left.

Two years ago, part of me regretted taking Cervantes away from his family the way we did. I knew, just *knew* deep down that if a single female was left there, she was going to get pregnant again, and now... it looks like all three of them will. I tried to out-think the lazy of a stupid pet owner while doing right by the animals I did take in, and I still managed to fail those girls. :cry4:

But at least I didn't yell at the guy, or wring his neck. Maybe there's a chance he'll realize that he should actually care for his pets, or give them up. :tissue:
 
Uhh, you didn't fail those chinchillas. Their owner did.

I don't even know why some people have animals when they obviously don't care about them.
 
I'm going to rant right back.
People who don't put research into chinchillas should not have them. People who don't know that chins can live 15-20+ years shouldn't have chinchillas. People who think that guinea pig food is okay for chins should not have them. People who think "Ah I haven't fed them in a few days but it's okay cause they're over weight" should not have chins. People who don't give them timothy hay should not have chins.
I'm soooo sick of seeing chins on websites because people couldn't care for them, but at least they realize "HEY! I can't care for these chins" but usually the people who get them don't know how to either. I'm also sick of people housing males, females, brothers, sisters, father daughter, mother son together thinking "OH! Chins know they're related they won't breed!"
You shouldn't feel bad at all, you gave him an option, you cared for them as far as you could, the only thing left for him is to finally come to the conclusion "Either I stand up, be a responsible pet owner and care for my chins, or I find them homes." You can't save everyone and I know that myself. Sometimes I catch myself laying awake at night having horrible thoughts thinking "Some chin is probably starving right now" "Some chin is probably going through GI stasis because of an owner feeding them the wrong things" "Some chin is probably dying in heat because they can't afford air conditioner" and it breaks my heart, but you have to keep hard, keep going, and make sure he knows that if he doesn't want them anymore, he has an option. Maybe a little money would entice him, even if it's just $20.
Like Minrex said, you shouldn't feel bad about yourself, he should feel horrible for what he's doing. There's an old native american legend that says you cannot pass into the heavenly land without standing judgement before all the animals you have ever met. He's going to get it big time if that's true and I hope it is. (Except for my cat Peppe, she'd probably send me packing just because I didn't buy her a kitty mansion equipped with butlers to satisfy her kitty needs)
You did what you could, don't feel bad, I've been told "You can't save every chinchilla" and as much as I'd like to, I know I can't.
 
I would call animal cruelty/animal shelter or PETA.

I don't have a cent worth of care for people who treat animals like crap.
 
I wouldn't get PETA involved, next thing you know they'll be screaming at you for having chinchillas in a cage.

I am so sad to hear this. :( I wish I could help.
 
I am sorry, it is such a crappy situation. Animal control cannot do much- your best bet is to kindly keep trying to either a) take better care of them, or b) let you take at least the girls so there are no more inbred and/or dead babies. Keep reminding him how expensive it is (ha) to care for them, how much time you can spend with them, etc. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the kind words everyone. Last night was pretty rough on me, whether I have reason to feel guilty or not. What ticked me off the most is that, now that I've seen his sister chewed that badly, I'm pretty well confirmed that Cervantes is a fur chewer as well. (I, however, keep toys and a wheel in the cage, so he's got less need to do it.) It breaks my heart to know that I might have to separate my guys because of it, but also ticks me off to no end that when I asked this fool 6 weeks ago if any of his chins had fur issues, he said they were completely fine and that I was just being paranoid.

I'll soon be going home to my two spoiled boys, a brand new bale of timothy hay, a huge order of wood from Pet Products by Nature and a shed-load of other fun from a pet store in Lancaster that I know they're going to love. I think I'm just going to have to put the unnamed members of Cervantes' family out of my mind, and make it crystal clear that I won't be around the waste of space that owns them ever again... unless I'm showing up with a carrier and surrender forms.

I would call animal cruelty/animal shelter or PETA.

Taller Half's mom is a SPCA volunteer. I'll talk with her, but I won't involve PETA. I have as little respect for that organization as I do for the neglectful, selfish @$$hole I had to try to be civil to all night last night. Cruelty is the same thing whether whether done to humans under the veneer of kindness toward animals or toward animals because of obvious selfishness on the part of a human.
 
I am sorry, it is such a crappy situation. Animal control cannot do much- your best bet is to kindly keep trying to either a) take better care of them, or b) let you take at least the girls so there are no more inbred and/or dead babies. Keep reminding him how expensive it is (ha) to care for them, how much time you can spend with them, etc. Good luck!

The state of the urine most likely will have them doing something.
 
The state of the urine most likely will have them doing something.

I sure did not have any luck with my local animal control and a girl who kept horrid care of her chinchillas. Chicken wire cages and plywood were fine for them. Moldy water, and bird seed. The chins were outside in the Florida heat. They said they looked better than most animals they have seen, and did nothing. Hope you have better luck, I am just saying don't get your hopes up too high. 4 people animal control in this case, and they made two visits, and nothing. Eye infections, and pregnant chins without safe cages, but the problem is- most people don't know the proper care, so they don't know what bad care is. This case was obvious though, and still just kills me everyday because I still see her posting those chins for sale on CL.
 
Oh wow Chantel. I'd figure they'd at least do something about eye infections and moldy water. Those are definitely no-brainers.
 
I know Ashley, it was horrible. My only other option was PETA, and that was just too extreme for me. I can imagine them coming after me for having them in cages. So I have to leave it alone. She started harassing me and putting up fake adds for free puppies with my email and number, so I got 1000's of emails and calls. No crime, said the cops. :hair: So I asked him for his email address- he did not find that so funny.
 
Maybe you can at least put some good food and hay in his mailbox or something? He will know it is from you, but maybe he will give it to them rather than toss it out. Poor things.
 
So I asked him for his email address- he did not find that so funny.

He didn't find it funny, but I sure do! That made me smile, which so far today I've had a horrible day (Weather turned for the worst, can't get the FN today because of snow and sleet. So bummed...) But I agree, I'd at least try putting some food and hay in his mail box or on his door step, do the ding dong ditch thing. He should consider it a gift since they're 'SO EXPENSIVE!' (I can get a 50 pound bag of PANR for $15.75 fresh from the mill, SO expensive right there *Sarcasm* and we all know that bottled water costs blood in volume *Sarcasm, again*) Maybe that'll let him know "Hey, someone else can care for their chins and still take care of mine too, maybe I SHOULD let them go..."
 
I'm sorry you had to see that. People who treat animals as though they are disposable disgust me. We got Minnie and Trousers both from a situation a little like that, but the woman we got them from knew she was in over her head and she did care enough to rehome them.

Animal Control might be able to do something, and if you can give them the name of a good rescue they might be even more willing to help out (I think some agencies are intimidated by the task of taking care of chins - why that is, I don't know). It can't hurt to call it in.

YOU DID NOTHING WRONG! If you're like me, you would save each and every animal that needed help, but we cannot do that; we would risk becoming someone in over his or her head. You gave them the little comfort you could, and I'm sure they appreciated that!
 
You Can try SPCA, but as long as their is some kind of water(yes even yellow, murky) and possible food they probably wont do much, but if the Urine and fecal matter is high--- Do they have children????? You can go that route and Child protective services will get them to clean up and provide for Kids which in turn will get SPCA out there, It is a County thing at that point. BTW you didnt fail those girls you cant save them all.
I would knock on their door with a box of Food, hay and if it is possible Toys and just stuff for the chinnies, and just say I know that this stuff will help them and I know they can be expensive(yeah right!!)and I hope that the Chinnies enjoy your gift! Ha that would be sweet!
 
YOU DID NOTHING WRONG! If you're like me, you would save each and every animal that needed help, but we cannot do that; we would risk becoming someone in over his or her head.

Yep, that's it exactly. I was about thisclose to taking all three of the females, paying whatever I had to, and leaving him with the males, but I didn't want to go from 0 to 3 chins overnight as a first time owner, and I didn't think it would be hard to keep the girls in one cage, boys in the other. Apparently I underestimated the levels of lazy/stupid this guy can reach. (That's also how I ended up getting into fish; 2 neighbors in my dorm were going to flush their perfectly healthy bettas because they didn't want to put the cups in the car. Since I was staying there for work that summer, they just gave them to me. Had one for 3+ years.)

Fortunately, that waste of space hasn't bred, and hopefully won't, but that sends the CPS option out the window. When I've left supplies (sticks and toys) in the past, he's thrown them away, while *****ing that I don't know anything about the animals in question because I haven't owned them as long as he has. I have, however, never stopped researching, so I think my unfitness to criticize is purely a matter of perspective. Not saying I'm a perfect owner, just well-read on the subject.

And, now I'm off to restock toys in the chin cage. :) I can't fix what's wrong with those girls, but I can love my guys a little harder.
 
Oh wow. Maybe we can all go harrass him after the show? Address? ;)

Don't know the address, but I can get you there from the Thai restaurant on Market St. :)

We should stop over for a chat, and take video of the look on his face when a bunch of dust and fur covered, ticked off Crazy Chinchilla People show up at his doorstep ready to rub his nose in that litter pan.

Anybody got a really cranky female that likes to spray strangers? We'll have her ring the doorbell. (/sadistic joke. Thanks, I needed that.)
 
I do! Smokie apparently hates new people.... But hey, it'd be somethng to consider while the judging's going on ;)
 
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