Help, my mom's chin is sick!

[kathiva]

My question would be, with your mother having the majority of the pet chinchillas (as you've mentioned in a previous post) why is SHE not prepared for an emergency with chinchillas? Quite obviously these kinds of things can and will happen whether you are breeding or not. Your mother as a pet owner needs to understand a sick chinchilla will be a dead chinchilla if immediate vet care is not sought out, you as a breeder need to be more proactive about making sure a chinchilla you bred gets vet care and doesn't die.

My mom is two and a half hours from me. She doesn't have chins at the moment but plans on keeping a same sex pair in the future. If she called me with a problem like this I would send her to my vet and if she didn't want to go, I would drive there, get the chin and take it to the vet. They are VERY fragile animals. I'm going to second what Ticklechin said and suggest you rethink breeding completely. If you love the animal you do NOT have to breed it. You are not bettering the species and you have way too little experience to even deal with small, common medical problems in the chins you've sent to other people.

My mom is 4 hours away from me, and I don't have my own car, my boyfriend has his own, which I cannot borrow because he uses it for work everyday, he drives all day at work, and this is the first time that my parents have an emergency like that, last time my mom had another sick chin with bloating and she did bring him to the vet, and got him better, massaged him, gave him his meds, and he recuperated and she saved him, but I guess she feels that this little guy is not going to make it, because it seems that is something very strong and fast, so it's her decision, I feel very sad about it, but I am planning on rehoming most of my chins so that she doesn't have so many, and maybe she can have about 2 with her and that's it, then I am going to plan what to do with the rest of my chins, and you are right, you don't have to breed the chins necessarily, if you love them, and I do love my chins so that's why I have to start making a plan for them to get organized and decide what I'll do in the future, and maybe just keep a few of them, but really need to downsize for almost half of my herd. She did her best, and took care of them and loved them, without experience, but I am sure it's not an easy job to handle 35 chins.

Thanks for you help anyways

 

[tunes]

Kathy - You need to really stop a minute and think. Seriously. I am not saying this to jump on a finger pointing band wagon (even though I definitely agree with Dawn's comments). I cannot fathom why you are attempting to breed at this time. You have no money to help with an injured chin that was in your care, then relocated to another owner, because you are unemployed. Your mom cannot take a chin to the vet without your dad's permission, and he's out of the country.

Seriously? If someone else was saying this, what would YOU think? You would think they were being irresponsible and not being good caretakers of the chins. You can't rush a chin off to the vet for an emergency C-section with a giggle and a wink and no money. You didn't have any money to help with Jade, you were "hoping" for the sale of a chin to pitch in. You can't sit around waiting for a customer to show up when you have a female with a kit hanging dead out of her vagina. C-sections are not cheap. Bloat and gut stasis is not cheap. Broken limbs are not cheap. You have no money. Honestly - What would you think if this was someone else and not you?

We know you are h#ll bent on breeding. We all got that. What I want to know is why you seem to take it so lightly. People who HAVE jobs are having an incredibly hard time right now with bills and basic survival. How do you expect to provide proper care for your chins (and not just vet care, but food, shavings, etc.) if you have no income?

 

[caiti]

What if you asked a friend for a ride or to use their car or can you maybe call a cab? You might already know of all the vets in the area but maybe there's one that does house calls. I have the feeling this chin is going to need a facility/hospital to get better if he can, though, anyways. Maybe even call the closest emergency vet and ask for their advice--they might have some helpful ideas that no one's thought of yet.

So...am I understanding this correctly? This chin is staying with your mom and she refuses to bring it to the vet? So is she waiting for him to die? I'm not trying to be passive aggressive, I honestly am confused and concerned.

 

[Tagna]

Katherine, perhaps your mother isn't aware that not seeking vet help is considered abuse in the province of Ontario.

http://ontariospca.ca/1-whatis.shtml

If she cannot or will not take that chin and who knows if there are others, surrender then. Honestly, you've said your mother is overwhelmed. For the good of the chins, find homes asap or surrender them. I know you want to recoup costs but enough is enough. I think you really need to go back to basics and just enjoy having pet chins and take away the stress of breeding.

Don't you think you might enjoy your chins more if they were just pets?

 

[ETC]

Kathy I have room for about 10 here after July 15.
Getting more cages from flowertown.
Let me know if I can help.

 

[caiti]

Katherine, perhaps your mother isn't aware that not seeking vet help is considered abuse in the province of Ontario.

http://ontariospca.ca/1-whatis.shtml

I know the ASPCA is NOT a no-kill facility. If medical treatment is too costly or an animal isn't adopted for non-medical reasons, they euthanize them. I don't know whether it's the same for Canada, but maybe you should look into some no-kill shelters that will take chins, or some folks here might be able to help, like Kiki already offered. Just so you know your chins won't be put down or anything.

 

[menagerie]

but I guess she feels that this little guy is not going to make it, because it seems that is something very strong and fast, so it's her decision, I feel very sad about it, but I am planning on rehoming most of my chins so that she doesn't have so many, and maybe she can have about 2 with her and that's it,

Poor chin is not going to make it if she has already decided he's not. With that kind of an attitude, she shouldn't have any chins.

 

[starleomach]

He might have actually had a chance last night a chinchilla may have a chance when the symptoms first show up but the window for treatment quickly closes. some things can be cared for yourself at home and many things you need professional help. this maybe if it were a simple blockage a round of meds would have done it. we will never know

 

[Kelley]

Sounds to me that your mom is just overwhelmed and if she truly wants chins I think maybe two should be her limit.
You have to think of the chins and I just don't see that happening.
Correct me if I am wrong but did you say your mom has 35 chins?
I only have the two girls and they keep me busy, I couldn't imagine 35 when I couldn't meet their needs.

 

[ticklechin]

There is no way she will even take him to be euthanized? Nature is just going to take its course for as long as it takes without treatment? That just hurts me inside.

 

[pamszoo]

I can only imagine the pain and suffering this chin will go thru before death finally claims his little body!

 

[Brittany_Lynn]

Although this sentence has already been pointed out, I think I need to point it out to you again::

but I guess she [kathiva's mom] feels that this little guy is not going to make it, because it seems that is something very strong and fast, so it's her decision, I feel very sad about it

So your mom feels like he's not going to make it and so she's just going to let him suffer in pain until he slowly dies? I had a hamster who everyone told me was going to die, in fact I had a person tell me that I should just "euthanize" her at home (to put it nicely), but I still waited and WALKED to the vet because I don't have a car, I even managed to get there before the doctor. My hamster died in my hands, but AT LEAST I TRIED.

Secondly, I think this needs to be pointed out because along with all of your other confusing and misleading posts, this points back to when you originally joined and stated that you had 50 chinchillas::

I am planning on rehoming most of my chins so that she doesn't have so many, and maybe she can have about 2 with her and that's it, then I am going to plan what to do with the rest of my chins

This leads me to believe, as I have continued to believe since the inconsistencies in your stories began, that you, kathiva, do in fact take responsibility for all 50 animals, but that you simply pushed 35 of them off on your parents because you don't have room for them. I believe you are hoarding these animals in an attempt to breed so that you can make money because you haven't been able to find a job, and I have no problems stating this on this forum because I don't think anyone should buy these animals from you--I think they should be taken from you.

Your mother is letting an animal who is in severe pain slowly and tortuously die because she
1. doesn't have "permission" from your father (is this the 1800's or something?? Have I traveled back in time??),
and 2. simply thinks he won't make it.
I think you need to let anyone in the vicinity take not only all 35 of "your mother's" chinchillas, but also all 15 or 16 of yours. What you are doing is morally wrong, and can be classified as animal abuse. Romeo needs help now, he could make it if your mother gave a d@mn but she obviously doesn't, probably because he isn't her responsibility-I still think all of 'her' chinchillas are actually yours.

tunes/Peggy and any other moderators who read this, I apologize if this is against the rules, but I don't think that she gets it, I think she needs blunt, honest facts staring her in the face before she will understand.
Also, kathiva, if you have trouble understanding what I wrote because you speak Spanish originally, please let me know so that I can translate it clearly for you. I speak Spanish.

 

[AZChins]

Right now I have about 250 chins, give or take a few. I have a veterinarian that I can go to when I need help and a few others just in case I can't reach him and get help.

PLEASE if you are going to have so many chins, have a plan to get chinchillas to the vet when they are ill. It's so important. So many times the chins will make it but they have to go get some help. Over time you may become more experienced and be able to handle things on your own, but for now whenever someone is sick or not acting normal go to the vet.

Chins don't get sick at opportune times. They get sick at night, they get sick on holidays and on weekends, etc.

In this case, this little animal may have a had a simple infection that a cheap antibiotic could have cured. Or, he could have had something that $0.30 worth of gut motility drug and $0.05 worth of simethicone could have helped get things moving along.

This is just crazy. Animals get sick and they go to the vet. Why is it that I have had to spend thousands of dollars at the vet but somehow other "breeders" don't have to spend anything just because the animal doesn't look like he's "going to make it." That's a bunch of crap right there... At least freaking try!!

 

[Brittany_Lynn]

This is just crazy. Animals get sick and they go to the vet. Why is it that I have had to spend thousands of dollars at the vet but somehow other "breeders" don't have to spend anything just because the animal doesn't look like he's "going to make it." That's a bunch of crap right there... At least freaking try!!

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[ETC]

I think you need to let anyone in the vicinity take not only all 35 of "your mother's" chinchillas, but also all 15 or 16 of yours. What you are doing is morally wrong, and can be classified as animal abuse. Romeo needs help now, he could make it if your mother gave a d@mn but she obviously doesn't, probably because he isn't her responsibility-I still think all of 'her' chinchillas are actually yours.

Kathy ... PLEASE let me take some of these chins...I have room for 10 of them, and can probably find homes for another 10. AND your mom NEEDS to get Romeo to a vet, even if it is to put him to sleep, which is NOT that expensive if money is the problem. He cannot continue to suffer like this!

 

[ticklechin]

Why do I feel we are all talking to a brick wall?

 

[ABBY W.]

Dawn, I was reading through this and getting the same feeling. These people clearly do not have the empathy to understand this poor animal's suffering. It seems like chinchillas are just possessions (and possible money making tools) to them, not living creatures deserving of respect, decency, and when it comes to it, mercy.

It makes me very sad to think that chinchillas, or any animals, are being subjected to this kind of neglect. Unfortunately, unless anyone knows where this person lives, there isn't much we can do about it.

 

[caiti]

So Kathy, what happened with the chin? Poor little guy, hope things got better since you last posted.

 

[kathiva]

Hi

Sorry, I was gone for the morning for father's day and then I was gone for the afternoon, so came back, had supper and didn't have a chance to reply to the messages, but this is the thing:

In February I had an allergy test, and they discovered that I had allergies to trees and grasses, and a little bit to fur, so I asked my family if they could help me out because of my allergies, and they did and I kept about 10 chins and it helped with my allergies, so at my parents' house there is my mom, my dad, my sister of 23, my sister of 17 and my sister of 9 years old, so 4 adults at home, and they said that all of them would take care of all the chins, since there was going to be more people at home to take care of them, I was happy about that, but with time, my sisters ended up not helping with the chins so much, and my dad got a job in mexico, so that left my mom alone taking care of about 30 chins or so, I believe, not so sure how many at the time, she's been doing this for about 3 months I guess, mostly alone, because she is at home all the time, but now it has become hard for her, because my sisters are not helping so much anymore, and she had to be in charge of the chins mostly, so that's why she feel overwhelmed with them, and needs help to rehome quite a few chins.

This is the first time she decides not to take Romeo to the vet, I have personally had only two chins to bring to the vet, and she had only one, that she was able to get better, but for this one, it was the weekend, and my dad was not there, so I don't know exactly why she wouldn't want to, but I did tell her to bring him to the vet yesterday and she didn't, she said that he didn't look good at all, and my sister phoned me today, and told me that he died in the mid morning, so it wasn't too long that he was able to last like that.

Now, like Corinne said, she can take about 10 chins from my mom, and I am planning on taking some too, and rehome them to good places, but no, we are not abusing our chins, it has never been our intention at all, we have sought vet care for the other chins in the past, and we know you are to spend money on the vet, and everything, this is the first time that a chin gets sick like this and on the weekend, and I cannot totally explain why she wouldn't want to bring him, but I do feel upset about it, and don't want it to happen again.

 

[kathiva]

Secondly, I think this needs to be pointed out because along with all of your other confusing and misleading posts, this points back to when you originally joined and stated that you had 50 chinchillas::

This leads me to believe, as I have continued to believe since the inconsistencies in your stories began, that you, kathiva, do in fact take responsibility for all 50 animals, but that you simply pushed 35 of them off on your parents because you don't have room for them. I believe you are hoarding these animals in an attempt to breed so that you can make money because you haven't been able to find a job, and I have no problems stating this on this forum because I don't think anyone should buy these animals from you--I think they should be taken from you.QUOTE]

Hi

No, that is not true, I did have a job when I purchased my chins, and I was in a good situation, but my contract ended at the end of april, so my situation recently changed. I've never had the objective to sell chins to make money out of them and don't work, and like I previously said, they went to my parents because of my allergies, not to make room in my place exactly,