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Millie'sMum

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So I am trying to figure out all the colors of the chins. Is there a thread on here someone can share with me? I have tried to look all over and haven't found one yet. I would like to know if there is a more rare color out of all of them, when showing are the colors separated, etc. I have only seen standard grey in pet stores and such, and have actually looked at the classifieds on this forum trying to gauge it, but still confused. Also somewhat confused on the **** and hetero (sp?) Thanks in advance!
 
I have a color page on my website: http://www.chinnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=10 Some other people have one on theirs as well.

**** & hetero have to do with genetics. For example, a homozygous beige has 2 beige genes. A heterozygous beige has one beige gene and a different color gene.

**** beiges usually appear lighter with jelly bean red eyes, while hetero beiges are darker with darker red eyes.

Most colors aren't really "rare"- though some people say there are either because they're uneducated or they're trying to make more money. It just depends on what breeders are working on. Sapphires are less commonly seen because not as many breeders are working with them. However, they aren't really rare. I know of several breeders with many sapphires.

There are other colors that exist but aren't seen as much, usually because they are a mix of a mutation that is weak to begin with. Most reputable breeders won't mix weak mutations just to make a new one- their focus is on improving what we already have.
 
In MCBA, yes, when showing the colors are separated. Standards are their own class, with different color classifications within that class. Beiges are their own, whites are their own, etc. When it comes to the top of the tables, standards are put up against the mutations. With Empress, standards are their own show and mutations are their own show. Standards are only judged against standards and the rest of the mutation are judged against each other.

My internet is displaying major suckage tonight, so I can't directly link you, but if you go to the MCBA website, they have a list of the different color classifications for shows.
 
Here: http://chins-n-hedgies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514

The color least often seen is the Gold Bar, which is still in development in a few select herds. I've only seen photos, but one of the lucky breeders posted a couple in that thread. Mutations do show up in pet stores, but it seems to depend on the part of the country you're in, and what kind of pet store. Big chain = animal broker = higher percentage of standard gray. But, a local pet store here had a pair of mosaic (white with gray or black random markings) chinchillas that occasionally bred. I've also seen a random violet and a black velvet in pet stores, but I generally don't look at chins in pet stores; it frequently leads to me lecturing a manager. :(

There's also a discussion of Hetero Beige and **** Beige in there (essentially a hetero beige chin got 1 set of albino genes; a **** beige got 2 sets of albino genes).
 
Other than standard grey, there are only six common colors: white, sapphire, violet, beige, black (velvet), and ebony. Both MCBA and ECBC classify chins by these six colors, as well as a section for standards.

Hybrids are combinations of those six colors, such as pink white (white + beige), tan (beige + ebony), TOV white ebony (black + white + ebony). You can take the above listed six colors and put them in any combination and have a new hybrid. The more mutations in one animal, however, the less likely you are to get a show quality animal. Both organizations classify hybrids into one of the six color sections - anything that is white will go into the white section no matter what other colors the animal expresses, for example. Tans and brown velvets go in the beige section, TOV violets would be in the violet section, etc.

Of those six colors, sapphire is the least common but it is not "rare." There are rare colors, such as Goldbar, Lowe Recessive White, and German Violet, and maybe more that I'm unaware of. These colors are not "recognized" at shows - even though they are completely separate genetic mutations from the common six, they would still be classed as one of the six if shown, such as the Lowe Recessive White that was classed with the other whites. More often than not, though, they're not brought to shows as very few breeders have them and those that do are dedicated to improving them to the point that they can compete against the other common colors.

As for ****/hetero, as Stack said, it refers to the genotype. A **** beige has two copies of the beige gene and because of that can only produce beige and beige hybrid kits. A hetero beige has one beige gene, the other gene is not mutated. A hetero beige can produce beige kits if they inherit the beige gene, and standard kits if they inherit the non-mutated gene (genes inherited from the other parent notwithstanding).
 
There's also a discussion of Hetero Beige and **** Beige in there (essentially a hetero beige chin got 1 set of albino genes; a **** beige got 2 sets of albino genes).

The genes in **** and hetero beige aren't albino, they are beige - more specifically Tower beige. Albino is another completely separate mutation that, if it does still exist in the chinchilla gene pool, would also be considered rare. Also, albinism is universally recessive, and since recessive mutations must be homozygous to be expressed, all albinos would be "homos". =)
 
Colour mutations are so interesting.
If you don't mind, I have a question...
My first chinchillas were a male and female, both beige (2 yrs old) and their two babies, also male and female but both grey (6 months old).
Both beiges are light beige, have very light red eyes and no ear freckles, which leads me to think they're both **** beige. But if this is the case, from what I've read I would've thought their babies should also be beige. The babies are both quite dark grey with white bellies.
Hope that's not too confusing. I know the female beige is their mum, but I'd like to know if it's possible the male beige is the dad, of it they must have a different daddy (grey)?
Thanks!
 
If both of them were a hetero beige (one beige and one standard gene), it is possible to produce standard kits. Being a lighter shade of beige, does not guarantee that a chinchilla is a home beige.
 
Colour mutations are so interesting.
If you don't mind, I have a question...
My first chinchillas were a male and female, both beige (2 yrs old) and their two babies, also male and female but both grey (6 months old).
Both beiges are light beige, have very light red eyes and no ear freckles, which leads me to think they're both **** beige. But if this is the case, from what I've read I would've thought their babies should also be beige. The babies are both quite dark grey with white bellies.
Hope that's not too confusing. I know the female beige is their mum, but I'd like to know if it's possible the male beige is the dad, of it they must have a different daddy (grey)?
Thanks!

If either of the parents were **** beige, there would be no chance of a standard offspring. A **** beige parent can ONLY pass on a beige gene. Since beige is dominant, even if one parent is a standard you would get 100% hetero beige because they would receive one beige gene from the **** beige parent. More than likely, you have two hetero beiges with poor veiling. The only way for us to tell you for sure if your chins are hetero beige, etc. is with a picture in good lighting on a white background.
 
Darn! For a chinchilla newbie like me I'm having a hard time being able to tell the difference between the standard, violets, and sapphires! But I'm pretty sure my chin looks like a standard.
 
Thanks! A lot to get your head around definitely.
One more thing... (If you don't mind)
The beige female was pregnant with her second litter when we brought her home and had two healthy beige kits a few weeks later. Now with these kits, I am sure the beige male is the daddy as I know they were living together at the time she would've fallen pregnant. Are the kits of hetero beiges automatically hetero as well, or can they be **** if they have inherited two beige genes from the parents?
I think I am just confusing myself now!
 
Oh right. Both kits are beige but one is much lighter, almost white in comparison, so I'm thinking one is **** and one is hetero.
Thank you :)
 
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