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Ok...I've heard this TWICE now in the past couple weeks. Someone PLEASE explain to me how people can think a DOG(says what animal it's for right there!!!:hair:) Kennel is a good cage for chinchillas.

First...someone who wanted a chin was telling the breeder/rescuer (very reputable) that they wanted a chinchilla but that they'd keep it in a dog kennel. It was explained that dog kennels are not safe for chinchillas and the person was even offered a chinchilla safe cage for CHEAPER than what the dog kennel would cost them, and they STILL wanted to use the stupid kennel!!

Second...this new chin Linda picked up from our Craigslist experiment was being kept in a dog kennel as well!:banghead:
 
im not going to lie, i dont remember where i saw it , it might have even been on here...someone had a few dogs kennels set up for chins, ledges and everything..it was a pretty nice set up honestly..it was the huge like great dane kennels..i wouldnt personally do it, but it looked ok...i like my fn's lol
 
I don't know, you would be surprised at how often it happens! Saturday a lady came to my house with her "cage" and wanted to use it even AFTER I told her not to. I gave her a cage for free and told her to please never use the dog crate. The spacing is too large...and it's a DOG CRATE. She didn't get the best cage in the world, but at the very least the chin won't be getting out and running around. I should have taken her crate and confiscated it...

The dog crate would work if it was reworked with shelves and if it had the appropriate spacing where the chin couldn't get out. Still...all things being equal, get the cage better suited for the chin and don't get the dog crate. Chances are the chin cage is going to be the same price anyway...
 
I rescued Andrew from someone who was keeping him in a dog crate.

Though, I must say. In a pinch, they really aren't terrible temporary cages.
 
Exactly Brittany...TEMPORARY. I'm talking about the people that get a dog crate for a permanent chinchilla cage. The wire spacing is not correct on a crate and in all honesty...they are made to be collapsible in a pinch and not constructed for a lot of banging around like chinchilla cages. IMO, it's not a safe permanent cage, even with ledges and a "good setup" inside. There are better options for the same price from breeders and other reputable places.
 
especially with the collapseability (word?) possibility, that would make me nervous. unless you reinforce with zip ties........some of the cages are huge with huge spacing.

there are just so many other options but sometimes if someone has one already they dont want to go & spend the money on another cage. in that situation all we can do is make suggestions to make it safer. (reinforce with zip ties, heavy shelves on bottom, hardward cloth is large space), people are going to do what they are going to do. sad but true.
 
If they have a dog crate, they probably have a dog. If the crate is large, they probably have a large dog! That means that if the dog is interested in the chin, the dog could possibly jump up on a cage that is designed to be collapsible from the OUTSIDE and maybe make part of it fall down. That scares me! A lot of the petstore cages scare me because they are getting to be so cheap and flimsy that the same thing can happen.

I know that here I have a bunch of cages that will work better than a dog crate...just sitting outside. Normally they aren't too pretty, but even for temporary use they're better. I hate how I have to ask everyone about the "cage" that they have. I've refused sale several times because the cage that they insisted they use is not going to work - it's unsafe or just completely wrong. I worry most about safety issues.
 
I have a 'collapsible' crate. There is no way that thing can collapse unless if a human makes it - Tab sad it 'pinch'. I have pinched my fingers so many times putting that thing together, in fact I hate uncollapsing it because it isn't just "in a snap" type of thing like the ads make them to be. Or collapsing it. lol

It's more like, pull this back, wrech up the top of the crate to get the back to go behind and above the last bar on the top. And try not to smash your fingers! I don't know about the construction of all collapsible crates though - this is just my experience with mine, my cousins, and my uncles 8. I can take mine and throw it to the ground/wall and it won't fall apart - I'm all about testing.

I changed the bottom piece with a top piece from another kennel that only the top panel was any good. It has the same spacing and plastic tray like an FN. But I don't use it for chins :D I altered it to keep chins OUT lol. But in case of an emergencey, I'd consider using it.

ETA: I don't recommend using dog crates as permanent cages for chins. lol. Just wanted to let people know that some collapsible ones aren't as easy as most people think they are, or ads make them to be. lol. :neener: I think if you need zip ties to stabilize anything for chins, then it's not worth it. Cuz they can chew through them in a cinch.
 
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The crate I saw on Saturday was pretty flimsy! I'm glad that you have one that takes a human being to fold it down. :p That's so funny...altered to keep chins out! It sounds like what I have to do here all the time.

You are definitely 100% correct about the zip ties...the chins demolish those in a matter of minutes once they know they are there. Years ago it was all the rage to buy a certain cage of eBay that was held to together by plastic zip ties. I learned really quick that they did not hold the cage together and also that the shelves would not stay in place. The clips need to be metal, the chins must not be able to chew through.
 
All of my chin cages are collapsible, there's nothing wrong with having a collapsible cage. Most have tabs and things so that they wouldn't collapse on their own. Like one part of the cage goes on the outside, the other part on the inside.

However mine are made for small animals.

Dog crates tend to have too big of spaces in the bars. I also would worry about any coating on a dog crate because they weren't really made to be chewed on, and chins will chew on the cage bars.
 
No...nothing wrong with a collapsible cage...as long as it is secured properly.. :) (And, I know that yours are for sure...and you have good cages.)

Another thing...with the spaces being so large it isn't necessarily about them escaping. It's more about them getting part of the way out and then getting stuck.

Alli - you are right about the coating. That thing I saw on Saturday had black paint and looked to be partially rusted. The pan in the bottom was an integral part of the cage giving it stability...they didn't bring the pan, so that made me wonder what that was like.

This may sound strange and maybe I don't exactly help because I often give people an old pet cage that I can't do anything else with...but...maybe if people can't afford to get a decent chin cage or look into finding a decent used one, they shouldn't even be getting a chin? It isn't like it should be absolutely FREE to obtain the thing that is going to contain the chin. Heaven knows that I have to pay for wire and pans and clips and such... Not trying to sound bitter there or anything. ;)
 
The crate I saw on Saturday was pretty flimsy! I'm glad that you have one that takes a human being to fold it down. :p That's so funny...altered to keep chins out! It sounds like what I have to do here all the time.

I forgot to re-add something. lol. Thank you for reminding me AZ.

Cheap wire collapsible kennels are usually crud. Along with the ones with thinner wire, and ones with larger spaces inbetween the wires also don't seem to last long with me. BUT, there are some brands that are just made flimsy, and are just crud. :)
 
All of my chin cages are collapsible, there's nothing wrong with having a collapsible cage. Most have tabs and things so that they wouldn't collapse on their own. Like one part of the cage goes on the outside, the other part on the inside.

I bought a Quality Cages mansion which is collapsible, and I'm really surprised how flimsy the thing is. I'm making the 24 and 30 inch shelves just to make it semi-sturdy for the chins. Without them, the sides buckle at nothing. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't seen any tabs or anything on it.

On the other hand, I have one of those wire crates for the dogs I foster. Those things are indestructible! And some of the fosters have put them to the test! Now I don't use them with chins, but with a little cosmetic (non-structural) modification for chins, you'd have a cage that was much stronger than a ferret nation and couldn't even be compared to most of the pet store cages.
Linda
 
I have had really great experiences with my chins being in 'cat cages'...lemme find a link... Here ya go. What happened was, I got Rodya and Sonya with the cage they were being kept in when bred by previous owner...I hated it. I thought it was way too small, and she could only afford to the take the time to clean the cages thoroughly once per YEAR, so it was really ****ty, in the chin poo sense. So I was browsing on CL because Petco cages are terrible, and I didn't know about FN cages at the time, and I found an ad for a 'cat' cage. Like in the picture, it has a solid bottom and wheels for mobility, and it came with 3 shelves--one long, 2 short, so that the ledges/shelves vary. The 2 short ones were covered in carpet, but I stripped that, and then set it up for Rodya and Sonya. It works great, except that it isn't baby-safe, and when Ivan was too small for it, he had to be put in his parent's original cage.
When I got Mork and Orson, I knew I wanted another cage just like Sonya and Rodya's, so I put an ad out and found another cat cage, this one with a really really nice bottom--the guy I bought it from was a woodworker, and he made a custom bottom with leftover kitchen tile for easy clean up--I love him for that. SO much easier than cleaning my first cage, and there is a 1/2 inch wooden lip to hold the cage in, rather than a little trenchy-type thing dug into the flat surface, like in the first cage--not as much poo & litter gets thrown out of Mork's cage. That cage came with 2 nice wooden shelves, too.
The first cage cost me $60 and the second cost me $80, both are collapsible only with 2 people and without the bottom attached to it, no shelves, etc, so there's no way they could have a collapsing accident with my babies inside. They're really large when standing upright, too, and then I have some space to put their toys and treats and things on top of the cage. They both have 2 doors, one on the top half and one on the bottom, although the size and placement of the doors is different for each cage.

I've never had a cat so I didn't know there were such things as cat cages, aside from the carriers you bring them to the vet in, but I have actually seen them, now that I know what to look for, at Petco and Petsmart--for about as much as a FN. Both guys I bought them from told me they'd had to buy them for a certain cat which was abusing the other cats in the house while they were at work. So they'd put Fluffy in the cage during work and let him out at night when they were home and able to keep an eye on him. Probably why the cages were so large, so kitty could jump and play and scratch, etc.
Just a random thought when reading this page :)
 
I've seen so many people keep their chins in dog crates. To be honest, it's essentially a super-pet (brand) cage. I mean, the spacing is like 1X5 and it's plastic coated too.

I would have to modify a dog crate to be a permanent chin home so much that it would make more sense just to get a whole nother one, or build one. I can see it being an ok temp/quarentine cage for an adult-sized chin with modifications. And used crates are so much cheaper than used small animal/bird cages.
 
I have a friend who has her chin in a large dog crate. It isn't the collapsible kind, and you could sit on this thing without it going anywhere. The bar spacing is identical to my FN. Like 1"X5" or something like that. However, she got it for her chin when he was wee, so she hardware clothed it from the inside, that way no toes or heads could get between the two layers.

She has ledges, lava ledges, hammocks, hanging chewies, bridges, etc. The pan is metal, and like 2" high, so it fits bedding just fine.

I never thought it was dangerous. It's like a lab/boxer sized crate, so it's large. The chin seems happy, and it seems safe?

I totally understand the collapsible crates, or it not being modded or something.

She also doesn't have any dogs. She got it for free from someone.
 
I should have gotten a picture of what was brought to me...it wasn't safe, it wasn't sturdy, it wasn't even clean. The spacing on the bars was not acceptable - it was more like 1.5" or 2" x 10"...it was bad.

The crates are often a lot more expensive than a decent cage...or a free cage that I am willing to give to people. It really is up to the owners to make sure that what they have is safe - that's the #1 priority.

I've seen some things in cages that made me extremely angry...some of those have been dog crates, some have been petstore cages. The most important thing is that the cage is safe...other than that, it's all opinion.
 
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