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furrylovables
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They are soooo cute. Congrats!!
Cassi
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Cute
That ebony isn't an extra dark eb.
That ebony isn't an extra dark eb.
Jenn
ZooKeeper
I love seeing them so small. Congratulations!
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Rickman
Guest
We'll see about the ex. dk. ebony, as he was still damp when announced, and the flash "washes out" dk. ebony - time will tell!
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Chinniechantel
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Super cute!
Cassi
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What do you mean? He's not going to magicly turn into a **** eb in time if that is what you're insinuating. **** ebonies are born **** ebonies.
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Chingal
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Adorable kits Rick!
oxchincerelyxo
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congrats!!! They're adorable!!!
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Rickman
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Never said **** ebony! I get extra-dark ebonies that LOOK like **** - until you blow into their fur, and you get a grey undercoat!
I was through all this on C+Q's last summer, and now know the difference;
**** Ebonies are "every hair, shiny black" and I still gotta go to a show and see one, and/or hopefully buy one!
I was through all this on C+Q's last summer, and now know the difference;
**** Ebonies are "every hair, shiny black" and I still gotta go to a show and see one, and/or hopefully buy one!
Cassi
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Extra Dark Ebony IS a **** Ebony.
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chinchildren
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wrong.
in fact, the best breeders i know of who do breed for ebs will not call ANY chin "****" ebony no matter HOW dark it is. "****" implies a genotype and as of yet there is no way of knowing what a geneotype is by looking at the phenotype.
mishalaa
Irish Chinchilla
The **** eb is a mythical creature. We can only describe the phenotype which is most accurately described as light, medium, dark, or extra dark. "Every hair shiny black," meaning jet black from root to tip with no visible bar, is an extra dark ebony regardless of genotype.
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Rickman
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Shelly, that's the first I've heard that, but it does make sense!
But, in the chin calculator, there is a "**** ebony," as I've been trying for chocolates, and the percentage is always higher than with dark ebonies.
Last year, it was told to me, that a **** ebony is "every hair shiny black! Is this wrong? Are they out there?
But, in the chin calculator, there is a "**** ebony," as I've been trying for chocolates, and the percentage is always higher than with dark ebonies.
Last year, it was told to me, that a **** ebony is "every hair shiny black! Is this wrong? Are they out there?
Cassi
Well-known member
Then why do people call Extra Dark Ebonys **** Ebonys also when its not even a correct classification?
I was trying to explain that his kit is not going to turn into an extra dark ebony.
I was trying to explain that his kit is not going to turn into an extra dark ebony.
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mishalaa
Irish Chinchilla
There are at least 7 different genes that produce a wrapped belly. Any chin with a wrapped belly is called ebony, regardless of which gene caused the belly to be wrapped. Charcoal (bb) is one of those genes, it is recessive so any charcoal chin is a **** eb, but charcoals can range in shade from light to extra dark. Thus, a light charcoal is genetically a **** eb, but is not every hair shiny black.
Some of the genes that cause wrapped bellies are recessive (like the charcoal), some of them are dominant. Some are thought to be accumulative, but I'm not entirely sure it's actually accumulating or a hybridization of two or more of the genes that cause the wrapped belly.
Back in the day, some ranchers threw any ebony into their lines trying to darken their herd because darker pelts were in demand. This resulted in a genetic mess and there are no longer any pure strains of ebony in the US, and no one really trying to separate them (that I know of). You can tell your chin is an ebony because its belly is wrapped, but you don't know what combination of the 7 known genes for wrapping caused it.
Using "**** Ebony" to mean "every hair shiny black" and "Hetero Ebony" to mean anything else is common usage, but it is inaccurate and misleading. Ebony is not any one single gene.
Some of the genes that cause wrapped bellies are recessive (like the charcoal), some of them are dominant. Some are thought to be accumulative, but I'm not entirely sure it's actually accumulating or a hybridization of two or more of the genes that cause the wrapped belly.
Back in the day, some ranchers threw any ebony into their lines trying to darken their herd because darker pelts were in demand. This resulted in a genetic mess and there are no longer any pure strains of ebony in the US, and no one really trying to separate them (that I know of). You can tell your chin is an ebony because its belly is wrapped, but you don't know what combination of the 7 known genes for wrapping caused it.
Using "**** Ebony" to mean "every hair shiny black" and "Hetero Ebony" to mean anything else is common usage, but it is inaccurate and misleading. Ebony is not any one single gene.
Cassi
Well-known member
Thank you!
starleomach
Dawnna's Keeper
I always love baby pictures
Laurie
I heart Leonard
Love seeing those little babies!
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ilovemytwochins
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So adorable! I love baby pics!
