What color is this chin?

[kathiva]

Hi

Just wondering if I could get an opinion or help as to what color is this baby chin

I have this baby female born to a beige v/c female from Jags, and I don't know what color she is, I would know more if I knew who her daddy is, but asked Jags, and said that they never put my beige v/c female with any male, they said that maybe she escaped and got pregnant without them knowing, this is the surprise baby my parents had born at their place in february. They decided to keep her because it was their first baby chinchilla born at their place and because we don't know who is her daddy, and she has such a weird color that I have never seen, she is beige for sure, but it is very light, even lighter than a **** beige, and we want to see if her color turns out differently when she grows older, her belly is the same color as her body though and her eyes are a bit red, but not as red as a **** beige. Here there's some pictures:

This first one is of her in the left, her mom a beige v/c and a **** beige male.

This second picture is of all of them but with flash

This third one she is being compared to a white violet baby male, she's the one in the right

another one of them:

 

[Rickman]

I'd say you've another white violet there, different coloring/markings, though!!
Father had to be a violet carrier, at least.

 

[RDZCRanch]

She looks like a **** beige violet. She's too light to just be a beige violet so probably her sire was another beige v/c. She doesn't look white at all to me and she definitely has beige coloring. Knowing her sire would confirm everything but you can call her a beige violet just to be simple.

 

[Peep_erz]

if she has violet is it possible to still be considered a **** beige?

 

[Megan]

Yes, as she would be **** for the beige gene, as well as the violet gene

 

[VolunteerChin22]

I was thinking beige violet too, but she would have to be considered a tan violet if her color is uniform on her belly, although I don't have any of those pairings here...

Also, that chin was born in Feb? I hope she's not having playtime with that male...the picture of the three of them out together on the couch? She is way too young to be interacting with a male as a pregnancy that young could kill her...supervised or not matings happen very quickly!

 

[kathiva]

No, she never goes out on playtime with the **** beige male, she was just with him for the picture, as that was the only **** beige I have and that I could compare her too so I could be able to take a picture of all the three of them, and had them supervised by my sisters that were helping me take the pictures.

I have more pictures of her if you wish me to post them

 

[kathiva]

She looks like a **** beige violet. She's too light to just be a beige violet so probably her sire was another beige v/c. She doesn't look white at all to me and she definitely has beige coloring. Knowing her sire would confirm everything but you can call her a beige violet just to be simple.

Hi

But wouldn't she have very red eyes if she was a **** beige violet? I am thinking just because **** beiges have very red eyes so a **** beige violet could have very red eyes, right? Too bad I don't know who her daddy is, Jags said they had no idea.

Here's another picture of her cute face.

 

[Rickman]

If you don't want her, I'll take her!!!!!

 

[RDZCRanch]

Hi

But wouldn't she have very red eyes if she was a **** beige violet? I am thinking just because **** beiges have very red eyes so a **** beige violet could have very red eyes, right?

Not necessarily. **** beige chins will exhibit the bright red jelly bean eyes but when you have other genes mixed in the bright red eyes do not always show through. For example, I've seen a few **** tans(**** for beige) and they don't have the bright jelly bean red eyes because the ebony gene influences the eye color as well. The same can be true for a **** beige violet. The violet gene being homozygous means it will express...darker eyes are linked to the violet coat color as red eyes are linked to the beige coat color. If you have both showing through in their homozygous state you get a meshing of what the eye color should be if that makes any sense at all, lol.

 

[Spoof]

Here I found a picture over the internet of a beige violet, a beige v/c and a hetero beige, to compare too, but she seems lighter than the beige violet in the picture

Please link to my site when showing my photos, and please don't EVER hotlink like that, it steals people's bandwidth. I normally hunt folks down who do that and goatse them.

She is most likely a beige violet. Here are some more photos of them. They turn out a pale, creamy color like that. )

 

[CJR]

I have no idea what color she is, but that picture with all of them on the couch is cute (if not semi-dangerous as previously said). I just love chin tails.

 

[Spoof]

Off topic, but why would a chin on the couch be dangerous?

 

[kathiva]

Hi

Oh, ok, thanks for letting me know, I guess not all chins would show the same traits that they are supposed to for whatever color they are.

I just wondered would you recommend using her for breeding? I know it's not a very good idea since I would have half a pedigree, but it might give me a chance to find out what color she would be, I thought if she was bred to a violet male, then if I only get beige violets, or tan violets, then that would confirm that she is a **** beige violet, or if she is bred to a standard v/c or just a standard male, depending on what kits she produce, it might help to find out a bit on her color. I know that there is some tov chins that you can't tell they have the tov gene until the produce some kits, but at least those chins, you would have more information on the background compared to this little girl.

 

[kathiva]

Please link to my site when showing my photos, and please don't EVER hotlink like that, it steals people's bandwidth. I normally hunt folks down who do that and goatse them.

She is most likely a beige violet. Here are some more photos of them. They turn out a pale, creamy color like that. )

Yes, that was the picture, but can't see it now, I will try to do that then, sorry about that.

 

[Whimsy]

...**** beige chins will exhibit the bright red jelly bean eyes but when you have other genes mixed in the bright red eyes do not always show through. For example, I've seen a few **** tans(**** for beige) and they don't have the bright jelly bean red eyes because the ebony gene influences the eye color as well.

What? Ebony influences eye color? Can you cite the source of that information?
I do know that there are different strains of the beige gene. Some of them have dark eyes (Wellman and Rzewski Beige).
Perhaps this is what we're seeing here with this fluffy little question mark. :hmm:
She looks like a home beige violet to me.

 

[Spoof]

Yes, that was the picture, but can't see it now, I will try to do that then, sorry about that.

I was messing with hotlink protection. Normally I don't mind but this site gets enough traffic that it gets expensive. Next time, save the pictures to your desktop and then upload them to the site. )

I just wondered would you recommend using her for breeding?

Honestly? No. Mom has no qualities that I would want to propagate in my herd. She has terrible fur, breaks at the neck, is small, wedgy and just overall unappealing to look at.

You see in the photos I've posted how the fur on the three chins has no gaps (even though it is ruffled from handling), and it is a really pleasant solid color? We didn't groom them, they're strait out of breeding/holding cages. The biggest thing with mutes like that is you want strong fur, and yours are really weak in that department.

I know it's not a very good idea since I would have half a pedigree,

A pedigree means nothing, it's just a piece of paper.

but it might give me a chance to find out what color she would be,

She's a beige violet.

I thought if she was bred to a violet male, then if I only get beige violets, or tan violets,

Whoa Nellie! You can not get ebony where there is none. If she is bred to a violet male she will throw beige violets and violets.

then that would confirm that she is a **** beige violet,

She isn't **** beige. Those turn out pure white with a purple haze and jellybean red eyes. You really can't tell they are violet.

or if she is bred to a standard v/c or just a standard male, depending on what kits she produce, it might help to find out a bit on her color

This would tell you nothing of her color, though standard would help other things if you found a good one.

I know that there is some tov chins that you can't tell they have the tov gene until the produce some kits

No Tov on this one either.

I can make somewhat educated guesses (and so might Jags) based on the available babies they offer and what they have in their breeding program. If they have no Tov tan violets or Tan violets your likeyhood of getting any of the above mix of colors is non-existant. I would ask them about their males.

but at least those chins, you would have more information on the background compared to this little girl.

Background doesn't mean much. I play with genetics a lot, but I recommend starting out with a little better quality chins. You can take what you have and get to that quality if you work at it, in this case - if you really want to mess with the homozygosity and violets I would find the bluest and best possible hetero beige v/c male you can find.

Why? This eliminates your chances of getting standards and is still a strong mutation. You will only get **** beige v/c's, **** beige violets, beige violets and beige v/c. A standard in there would add more mutations to the mix and give you less of a chance at pulling out the violet. Putting beige in your violet line has pretty much killed you for the show table in violets, it tends to make them muddy and offcolor. If ebony is in there, someone will have a muddy belly along the way.

Future generations/breedings would depend on what your purpose of the line is.

 

[kathiva]

Hi

Wow, thanks for all the information! this is for sure very helpful, not only as to her color, but also as to if she would be a good material for breeding or not, and what to do with a surprise baby like this.


I am new to breeding, and I 've been doing it for about a year, but I know I still have lots to learn, and quality is my purpose. I have bought a few chins from good breeders, but with time I will be replacing a few chins from my herd with the best quality animals, you know, when you are new to breeding you at least buy chins with pedigree and read lots about them and try your best to get the best chins as possible, but down the road you might notice that the chins you have where not exactly the best ones, so then you will have to buy a better stock and replace the other chins you have.

My chins come from good breeders but now I know that it doesn't mean quality, and with time I will be replacing my herd, so that I can offer the best quality chins. But I do have a few quality chins, I know that not all of them are like the mommy in the picture,

Also, she has an even color under her belly, so she couldn't be a beige violet, but a tan violet right?

Her mommy is from Jags, and I haven't had a chance to breed her, as she gave birth to this baby in february, and they are together now. The baby was a surprise baby and Jags said that the mom wasn't in their breeding program, I guess Jags knows which ones to put them in breeding and which ones to put for sale, because it wasn't their intention to breed the mommy but she became pregnant anyways, it's funny how these things can happen with these cute little animals, my parents just love this baby because it was a surprise and it was their first time they saw a newborn baby chin.


Thanks so much for the information, I appreciate your help

 

[Spoof]

Also, she has an even color under her belly, so she couldn't be a beige violet, but a tan violet right?

No, she's only two months old. With the lighter colors and beiges it can take up to six months for the belly to clear up - or at least grow enough white fur to look white.

I will be replacing a few chins from my herd with the best quality animals, you know, when you are new to breeding you at least buy chins with pedigree and read lots about them and try your best to get the best chins as possible, but down the road you might notice that the chins you have where not exactly the best ones, so then you will have to buy a better stock and replace the other chins you have.

You don't have to replace your stock, just make sure each purchase is better quality and breed your lines out. It's more important to know how your lines work than to buy a champion and have no clue how to use the genetics. Two champions never mean champion offspring.

 

[kathiva]

Oh, yes, sorry, you already mentioned that, and I had read about it but forgot that you can improve quality, because show quality chins not always produce quality chins, since genetics are so variable and you would always have different quality chins. It is in my plans to obtain some good quality standards for my herd, but I just wondered, do you only use standards to improve your quality or can it be any color?
and can you use the standards to improve any other color or are they good to improve certain colors only?

I also wondered, would you recommend bringing this baby to a show, so I could maybe get an opinion on her color and quality?