to all the doubters!

[zappa-fied]

Kenny and Zappa... Used to wrestle.. Some fur slippage..

Now, after two months of being together...

And just for the heck of it, Kenny playing more golf..

 

[Luci]

zappa, while the pics are adorable, i must say that youre just trying to push buttons.

i read all your past posts, as well as kennyface's, and it seems as though you both will continue to assume you know whats best for your pets. if the two of them had "issues" in the past, i wouldnt be so quick to assume that a few cuddle pics will mean that everything is alright. i do believe that there are members in here who NOT ONCE saw any signs of aggression in cagemates and had the horrible experience of waking up to them BOTH dying.

the title to your thread spits in the face of many members who asked you to be cautious when you saw your pets wrestling.

i know this forum is an educational one and members must treat each other with respect. if my comment seems disrespectful in any way, it is because i found your thread to be the same.

i hope the best for your pets and i hope that you will understand the need for COMPLETELY supervised playtime from now on. thats all i have to say on this.

 

[starleomach]

I think it is great your chinchillas are getting along but you are quite rude. Many experianced members try to give advice and get slapped in the face. I have seen many many pairs go from cuddling and love to ripping one another apart. I have two right now here by themselves. One a female who was with a group for 4 months woke up one moring to find her missing half her fur and covered in bites, the other a male grouped with other males he has been with for over a year...same story found him torn apart.

I had a female with other females beat to a bloody pulp last winter she was pregnant. I lost her, then her triplets because they were too young to make it. her face was so damaged her eyelids couldn't close because of nerve damage.

You are being a complete *** to those trying to help you

 

[Claire D]

So I have to ask - you've now got these two boys playing together (for now) which is great - do they live in the same cage?
If so, the female in your signature - is she living in the same room as the boys? If not, do you plan on moving her in with the boys?

 

[zappa-fied]

So I have to ask - you've now got these two boys playing together (for now) which is great - do they live in the same cage?
If so, the female in your signature - is she living in the same room as the boys? If not, do you plan on moving her in with the boys?

OK.. everyone calm down.
And Tunes, i see some foul language that might offend the kiddies! :cough:


The boys may end up doing harm to one another, but as I have been diligently reading, there is no way to tell! Sometimes years may pass and nothing, or, years may pass and you'll see a bloody mess... As far as I'm concerned, that's the risk EVERYONE is willing to take when they see the snuggling of two chinchillas.. So, what is the big deal!?



Lastly, the two males are at her house, and the girl is at my house. She spends her life in her cage and gets play time, etc.. The two boys are always free roaming [there's plenty of space to run and hide behind the cabinet they like and in the cage, etc in case of a minor scuffle, but they kack even in the cage together and won't proceed to a wrestling match, they just back up] in her room unless she leaves.. I told her to lock them up now when she leaves, because something is going to happen, I know it. They can't reason like we can..

Sorry, I did not intend to come off disrespectful, I'm just excited to see them happily living together. People need to relax over here..

 

[Stackie]

You're trying to push buttons and you know it. Get over it and adjust your attitude. I suggest you check yourself real quick, because the people you have been blowing off and arguing with are the ones that can help you when/if something does go wrong.

My chinchillas were cuddling hours before the other brutally attacked his cagemate- pretty much skinned his back, bit through his nasal cavity, sent him into shock and caused him to die a painful death while I had to watch helplessly as the vet told me he did all he could. Excuse me for trying to spare someone of that pain that I had to endure while trying to help one of my beloved chinchillas to no avail.

By the way, you've already said you've tried introducing the female to the males. Once again, you ignored quarantine, and I hope you obviously know that boy + girl = BABY. Your female may already be pregnant, so you better start reading those breeding & babies threads and hope the breeders that you have back talked to are willing to help you if she is.

 

[zappa-fied]

You're the only one still attacking me. STOP!

I said she is around 6 months[is this pre puberty?], and the play time was dang near NIL, because we had to lock kenny up, and she hid the whole time, OR ran around the room while the two were locked up, or Zappa watched from his perch atop a dresser.

I made my apologies, as still expressing my feelings for the unwarranted advice, and snide suggestions ["there is NO reason to take him outside" "they are not dogs, or humans in fur coats" ...]

relax, what is your deal?
I'm on my way to get a massage with my honey, and go food shopping and get some pumice and timothy hay cubes, how bout you?

 

[Stackie]

As I said in your other thread, she is old enough to get pregnant.

 

[alli713]

I'm just going to say that she is more than old enough to get pregnant, and they can mate within a second. That's not an exaggeration or a joke.

There should be no playtimes together, no cages next to each other, no contact at all unless you want babies. And with not knowing her genetic background you should not allow them to breed.

 

[Claire D]

I'll add to Alli's post that she will also very very unsettled and stressed since she has only been with you for a few days. The additional stress of being chased by males determined to mate her is completely unfair.

 

[Peep_erz]

The boys may end up doing harm to one another, but as I have been diligently reading, there is no way to tell! Sometimes years may pass and nothing, or, years may pass and you'll see a bloody mess... As far as I'm concerned, that's the risk EVERYONE is willing to take when they see the snuggling of two chinchillas.. So, what is the big deal!?

The big deal is that your threat is titled "To all the doubters". They may live happily ever after or they may fight some day. You are right, there is no way to tell BUT you should be living with the fear of the risk. I have two bonded pairs of boys and I live with the risk and fear of waking up to hear them squabbling. I run to their cage if I hear anything funny or weird. I have been lucky enough to not have anything serious happen yet but I will always be alert just in case. I don't treat it as not a big deal because it is a huge deal. Even though they are cuddling and grooming you should still have doubts yourself. So the big deal is that your post title doesn't show that you fully grasp what people have been telling you. I am happy to see they are together and grooming but I still have doubts, as should you.

Lastly, the two males are at her house, and the girl is at my house. She spends her life in her cage and gets play time, etc.. The two boys are always free roaming [there's plenty of space to run and hide behind the cabinet they like and in the cage, etc in case of a minor scuffle, but they kack even in the cage together and won't proceed to a wrestling match, they just back up] in her room unless she leaves.. I told her to lock them up now when she leaves, because something is going to happen, I know it. They can't reason like we can..

Sorry, I did not intend to come off disrespectful, I'm just excited to see them happily living together. People need to relax over here..

This cabinet you mentioned, is it like a dresser or entertainment center cabinet? If it is, I can tell you it is very unsafe in many ways. If they decide to chew on it at all the finish or stain on it is toxic to them. Also, there has been more than one incident on this board where a chin accidentally got crushed by one of those.

Again, I am excited for you as well and those are great pictures. Your title just looked like this :tease:

 

[ticklechin]

Do you use a dust bath?

 

[tunes]

Do you use a dust bath?

I suggested that in another thread. Their fur is nasty.

And Tunes, i see some foul language that might offend the kiddies! :cough:

No, what you see is the filter catching a relatively mild word and blanking it out with *** instead of openly leaving a defamatory word that would surely upset the Christian membership on this forum.

Last time I checked, your name was not on the roster of who had the right to police this forum. I suggest you :shutup:

 

[brekai722]

It is amazing to me that someone who has only been a member for less than 2 months thinks they know everything and feel like they have the knowledge and experience to throw tantrums when help is offered. People on this forum are here when you need them and sometimes they offer advise that you may not want to hear but unless you joined to get the warranted or unwarranted opinions or to offer your own advise, I don't see that you would want to be a member where people actually care about their pets. If you don't want advise, shut up and go some where else or shut up and listen. Either way it's your choice. I don't know your whole story but I do know most of those who have contributed and I know that their only concern is your little furballs and you if you let them. Keep up the good work guys. Some people will never listen and unfortunately the littlest ones suffer. You can't help idiot-know-it-alls.

 

[Stackie]

I think the biggest thing that I find sad is these people will do whatever we say NOT to do, just to try to "prove" us wrong...at the expensive of their chinchillas. I feel so, so bad for those poor chins.

 

[Essentia]

I have to agree with everyone else about the two males. I also have to add though, did you just say that males free roam? Ummm.....why? Chins chew...that's what they do. Even in a chin "safe" room there are tons of things around that can hurt them or even kill them. Chins chew on everything they reach, including walls, baseboards, cabinets, drywall, electrical wires, clothes, etc. Any one of those things can harm your chinchilla if they eat it. Why in the world would you take that chance instead of giving them a small, supervised playtime each day?

I also have to agree with Tunes. Those chins need a bath really, really badly. That can't at all be comfortable.

 

[ticklechin]

Good point about the free roam, I hate to think what a house would look like after free roam chinchillas lived in it, hope they have a big security deposit...

 

[Harleychin]

Didn't I read somewhere that one of their chins all ready chewed a cord and had a brown stain(a burn I'm sure)on the chins mouth?

Is this the same person or am I confused?

 

[Ziora]

Cute pictures and lots of yummy stuff I see the chins have been chewing on. The edges of the lacquered tabletop, edges of the tea candle, metal mini golf club with what looks to be a plastic-wrapped handle, all the paint missing from the corner molding on the wall, the tempting looking lotion or soap from the dispenser. Yumm! :deadhorse:

 

[Jenn]

I used to let Tinkerbell roam free, when I first got her, and I would follow her the entire time to make sure she didn't get into trouble. It is incredible how fast they can nibble on something...table and chair legs, trim, cabinets, and most dangerously, cords. And I was with her the entire time! She now gets free roam in and out of her cage inside a big playpen that keeps her safe, as well as my furniture.