Oh ok thanks for the info. Turns out my two little guys dont get along too well and I would feel better with them separate, and now Jimmy possibly has ringworm so definitely cant be together. Zim has a Drs Foster and Nation cage with 1/4 inch spacing that is 21"x 30 x 39 and he loves it, he doesnt jump near as much as Jimmy does. Im trying to save up to get Jimmy a nicer cage, he has one I got at Petsmart before I realized what all was out there and I definitely want something better. Have heard good things about the QC cages as well as the FN ones, space wise trying to figure out how to configure everything out now. Overtime here I come! lol