Any guesses?

[sschins]

My Violet e/c girl is due in about 2 weeks, and is at 1010 grams (well over her normal of 825-ish). She's paired with my tan white.

Her last litter she threw a single tan white v/c female.

Any takers to guesses? I know from time to time in here people enjoy throwing their guesses in as to the colors/counts.

 

[Bethany]

tan v/c, white ebony v/c, and a tan white v/c. That is a lot of mutes.

 

[chinchildren]

That is a lot of mutes.

i 2nd that

 

[shuboyje]

I 3rd that, and to add it is a lot of mute for no foreseable reason. You are basically putting potential dirty bellies into all non-white offspring with the ebony and making a bunch of multi-colored violet carriers.

 

[sschins]

Yet another flame thread. Might as well shut this thread down now before it gets out of hand. Heck, people come on here asking about inbreeding, and it's nothing but helpful advice. I ask for any guesses, and i get this, everytime. How hard is it to just answer the question for all its intended purposes and leave it at that? I didn't ask "How many times can i get flamed for putting eb/white/violet together?". I have my intentions for the mute mix, which i need not explain. Why does everyone so readily criticize everyone else's efforts? I know it seems a very unlikely pairing, but like i said, i have my own intentions for a line I'm working with. I already knew the risks of asking a question here of all places, but i went ahead in good faith thinking it might be fun to see some opinions. Shame on me. Now i know better.

Close this thread please, i'm done here.

 

[Diva Chins]

I think what people are trying to say is that they're worried that the extensive mute x mute pairing might lessen the quality of the kits. I'll admit, I don't breed and I'm not trying to flame you or anything, but it does seem like you're pairing a lot of mute to mute with a lot of recessive genes and that can't be good in the long run.
Maybe if you posted your big plan it might open some minds, or maybe some pictures of dam, sire, and offspring to show that it hasn't lessened the quality. You could probably make it a few generations without pairing them to a standard, but like I said, excessively pairing mute to mutes, or as far as I've read and been told (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong) will lessen the over all show quality, and too many recessives is just a hum drum of genetics. Breeders breed to better the species, and chins that are supposed to have a bright white belly should have a bright white belly.
Like I said, please don't take any of it offensively and if I'm wrong, someone please correct me so that I can know for myself, but I think that's what people are really trying to hint at.

 

[sschins]

I understand it's a hum-drum of genetics. I've been told this in the past when i paired them up last year. I have every intention to breed the offspring back to standards, and strengthen them up. I understand it's hard trusting people to better the species, especially after what i see posted here half the time and some of the stuff posted on the CnQ forum. People want to do crazy things for crazy reasons. Trust me, not I.

It does however, get a little sensitive here. Appreciate the fact that I take great pride in my animals, and everyone elses, and i wouldn't think twice about ruining what so many others have worked so hard to maintain. Everyone had to start somewhere. 1A's didn't just rain out of the sky one day and bestow themselves upon the select few. No. Hard work was put in place to get those animals, and i appreciate that. All i ask is that my efforts along with everyone elses efforts are appreciated.

Now, back on track.

 

[Diva Chins]

Well, in light of that, I'll guess 2 kits. As far as the mutation goes, I'll leave that guessing to someone else.

 

[Bethany]

It's great that you have a plan, but people that want to throw blue ice royalle persian and a white tan violophire together should know that is not the bettering the species. Others that don't have a plan and don't know better come to this section to learn.

 

[Diva Chins]

It's great that you have a plan, but people that want to throw blue ice royalle persian and a white tan violophire together should know that is not the bettering the species. Others that don't have a plan and don't know better come to this section to learn.

I've heard of a violophire, but I've never heard of a blue ice royalle persian. I've heard of a Royal Persian Angora though...Wow...

 

[Bethany]

I over exaggerated, a blue ice is the same as a violophire, and a royal blue sapphire is a sapphire T.O.V. The Persian came in after royal w/ my exaggeration.

 

[Diva Chins]

I over exaggerated, a blue ice is the same as a violophire, and a royal blue sapphire is a sapphire T.O.V. The Persian came in after royal w/ my exaggeration.

OH! Okay, that makes more sense. I take everything so seriously I don't know when someone is being sarcastic, over exaggerating, etc.

 

[chinchildren]

andrew, since you say you do have a particular goal in mind, maybe you should state what it is because from what you tell us about the pair it is hard to see and clear goal emerge. it looks like you are just rolling genetic dice. that being said, they are YOUR chins and if you want to trow them together just to see what comes out, that is your perogative. BUT expect to be critisiced for your decision. you do always have the choice of doing what you like and not telling everyone about it...

I know it seems a very unlikely pairing, but like i said, i have my own intentions for a line I'm working with.
Close this thread please, i'm done here.

 

[MegFarris]

twins... white eb vc and tan vc

 

[shuboyje]

Sorry, but I for one am not gonna sugar coat things, you obviously have NO CLUE what you are doing. You are gonna breed the offspring of THAT pairing back to a standard? Then why are you using violets and ebony carries? You just added two mutes into the mix which lessen the quality and odds are you will never see them again after breeding the offspring to standard. This is a horrible breeding plan that screams of a person breeding for the sake of breeding and nothing else...it's that simple.

I understand it's a hum-drum of genetics. I've been told this in the past when i paired them up last year. I have every intention to breed the offspring back to standards, and strengthen them up. I understand it's hard trusting people to better the species, especially after what i see posted here half the time and some of the stuff posted on the CnQ forum. People want to do crazy things for crazy reasons. Trust me, not I.

It does however, get a little sensitive here. Appreciate the fact that I take great pride in my animals, and everyone elses, and i wouldn't think twice about ruining what so many others have worked so hard to maintain. Everyone had to start somewhere. 1A's didn't just rain out of the sky one day and bestow themselves upon the select few. No. Hard work was put in place to get those animals, and i appreciate that. All i ask is that my efforts along with everyone elses efforts are appreciated.

Now, back on track.

 

[mishalaa]

Agreed, I just don't see what plan you could have for this pairing if you plan to breed the offspring to a standard (and I hope you mean pure standard, and not standard v/c e/c). Whatever your goal is, I'm sure it can be done with fewer mutes, unless you're trying for a tan white violet, in which case you won't be able to get it using a pure standard any time soon.

 

[starleomach]

Not going to even guess, just shake my head. It isn't that hard to get some 1st place or better animals I picked up a 1a standard male for 65.00 at a show....