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I have a good friend that I've known for about 15 years now. We hang out a couple times a week at her place. This post is regarding her and my behavior around dogs.

A little about me: We had working dogs growing up but I'm not a dog person, when I go into someone's house as a guest I usually ignore dogs. If they come up and greet me politely I will return that but overall wild/jumping to calm they seem to understand that I don't want them in my space and leave me alone.

My friend: Three years ago her parents sent her a puppy for Christmas, she took some classes with the dog and it's a great dog. I started to notice she was getting very possessive about the dog and almost obsessive about what she could do -60 tricks and counting - and how people reacted. She rescued a second two years ago. Both very well mannered and trained.

About a year and a half ago she got a job as a dog trainer. She loves it and is very good at it both with dogs and people. However it really seemed to increase her obsession/intensity?

About six months ago she started taking in foster dogs, she has one at a time.

At first I noticed she was becoming pretty intense as to how I interacted with the dogs, like she talks to me, includes the dog in the conversation and then watches to see what I would do, or in the middle of a conversation start paying attention to one. A couple months ago she used me to see how aggressive one of them would get to someone coming in the house which really freaked me out. Especially because she just sat on the couch and watched it lunge at me after I came in. I got very angry and told her I wouldn't come over until she got rid of that one because she also would not let me at least take it on a walk so we could get over our initial not so pleasant meeting. To me, walking a dog is the most relaxing and forgiving bonding activity ever.

She's on foster number five now and it has gotten more and more intense. Last night she finally blew up on me. We had plans to get together and she called and said she was taking in a new dog for someone. I go in the house, her dogs are laying passed out on the floor, they don't bother barking at me if she's not in eyesight. She was outside letting the new one go potty.

She comes in with the new dog on a leash and proceeds to let it jump on me - while she is holding the leash. First time I said no, she says say "off". Second time I said off, third time, my knee impacted dog's chest. The dog was jumping energetically enough onto me to bounce back a couple of feet. She exploded. In my mind: I backed off and she let the leash out?? Why? It ended up in a very tense and emotional session for both of us, she "won" so to speak when I backed off and was extremely tense and confrontational the rest of the evening, even to people she hadn't met before.

I know there is really only one answer to this - it's her house, her rules. If I don't like the rules, don't come over.

What I'd like advice on; I have a gut feeling that the dog was doing this behavior because she was inadvertently encouraging it. Sounds dumb, but when she's not around her dogs are very different. Many of the things they do, they do because they sense that is what she wants. For example, barking only when she is around. I no longer dog sit for her, but when I did I didn't have any of the weird issues she does. Heck, one of her dogs will not eat if she is watching it some days.

I just don't know what to do about the whole thing. I really dread meeting up with her next time and don't even want to discuss the subject of dogs. It's left me confused and at a loss. Any advise is greatly appreciated. :))
 
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Well personally I feel that if she is your friend she should respect your feelings as well!

I am both a dog and a chin person, owning 3 dogs and over 60 chins....but, if I have a friend over, even in my own home, I respect how they feel about my animals.

I do not force either on them. I do not subject anyone to the chins, nor do I need to as they are in a separate area of my home. But my dogs do share the first floor and informal areas of my home. If I have a friend visit that I know is uncomfortable with the dogs, then they are put into the laundry room for the duration of the visit. They have access to bed, food and water in that area and my friends are more comfortable.

Even if I have friends over that do like dogs, I do not allow the dogs to jump all over them or mis-behave and the feelings of my friends come first. I do not think I have any friends that out and out do not like dogs but some are more comfortable with them than others. The dogs are fine in their room for the duration of a visit and my friends are more comfortable.

I am sorry that your friend is allowing this to interfere with your relationship.
 
It sounds like she is using you as a training aid when you are around. Inform her that you are not a training aid, not a dog trainer, and won't be treated as such.
 
I shudder to think what the dog's behavior is like when they leave her care and go into their forever homes. She's not correcting them, she's not allowing anyone else to either. That's bad business as a foster home.

My kids have been taught as early as possible - NEVER force an animal on someone who is afraid or uncomfortable. That's how accidents happen. Plop a rat on someone's shoulder who isn't expecting it and you end up with a dead rat after it drops 6 feet or gets slapped into a wall. An adult who claims to be a dog trainer should know better than that crap. No dog trainer I have ever gone to would allow that kind of behavior in an animal.

It sounds like she's got "hero syndrome." First she was an owner, now she's going to save the world one dog at a time, whether she has a clue what she's doing or not. It's not much different than hoarding IMO.

I agree with Jer. I would flat out tell her - um - not happening again. If you want to continue to be friends, it might be better to meet at my home or in a neutral area rather than at your home. I'm not here to be experimented on.
 
In my opinion your friend is being disrespectful to your feelings even if it is at her house. I now only have a Great Dane and when you sit down on the couch and she walks up to you she is in your face she is so big. I don't like it and don't allow her to get in my face and certainly wont let her get in my companies face. She will come up to you to greet you but then she knows she needs to go lay down in her bed. I agree with everyone else, you need to talk to your friend before it ruins your relationship with her.
 
Thanks everyone.
It sounds like she is using you as a training aid when you are around. Inform her that you are not a training aid, not a dog trainer, and won't be treated as such.
I went this route and told her the reason I "attacked" (kneed) the dog was because that's how I learned to defend myself from a jumping dog. She told me she felt I was disrespecting her by not following her training methods and showed me what she was doing and why. Personally I still don't think she should have let the leash out to let the dog jump on me though she claims she didn't. I also told her that I didn't want to be involved with the new dogs which made her upset. She was confused as to why I didn't want to be at her house when the dog had done nothing bad and says it feels like I am punishing her by this decision.

I told her she can always come over to my house which we will do next time.

I think you're right about her wanting to save the world. I will admit that by the time she re-homes the dogs they are actually pretty good and have the basics down. For some reason she just isn't respecting me and I've noticed it has carried into other things as well. Maybe it is time to step back and not do as much with her. This next month is going to be major nuts anyway, I'll be in Texas for most of it and if I get back in time I've got a request in for two days off to hit ECBC Nationals! :D
 
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